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OBAMACARE: Let's Celebrate the Sweet Road to Serfdom

POLL: Will SCOTUS Upholding OBAMACARE energize the TEA PARTY?

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Great Britain opened up the way for its slow descent to Marxist Serfdom when in 1946 they instituted their Cradle-to-Grave National Healthcare System (Churchill is still turning in his grave over that).

And now, thanks to Justice Roberts, our DЭMOCЯAT Paяty Dэaя Lэadэя has established once and for all time that in the USSA everyone must pay us Marxist Agitators (and Cuba...) for their past transgressions against Socialism, via OBAMACAЯЭ.

It was sweet to see how our detectives managed to bring every skeleton out of Roberts' closet to get him into siding with us..., and Breyer knows already how we deal with stray sheep (Лiиk).

It remains to be seen whether the Tea Party gets energized, but we have our Coffee POT Party and its 99% Brown-Shits ready to make the 1968 riots merely child's play...

Soon we will be able to declare Membership in the Republican Party to be a malignancy curable only with EUTHANASIA, and OBAMACAЯЭ's Death Panels will eclipse Stalinist Purges and Chairman Mao's Cultural Revolution in power, lethality and pervasiveness.

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Image America. July 1776 to June 2012. We had a good run did we not? Man on the moon, the internet, freeing Europe (only to be enslaved by its healthcare system) and many other achievements. When they write the history of why we declined, this day will be remembered as the beginning of the end. <sigh> back to work so I can pay for eveyone else's heath care. Millions of vulnerables are depending on me.

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Image It's really hard for me to Prog about what happened today (though part of it is because I'm still relatively new here at the Cube). November or bust, guys. The majority will not be silenced.

Image BUUUUUT it IS a great victory for the Great Leader and his Never-Fail™ policies, is it not? A great day for the Ever-Ongoing Revolution of Tuesday After Next, come November they'll ALL have to answer to the All-Knowing, All-Seeing State!

Image I agree. I am stunned. I really do not know what to think or if I can type with the prog ON. But lets give it a go.
Image Great news comrades! Health care for all is now the law of the land! Because as everyone knows, if you want something run more efficiently, with better customer service and for a lower cost, the BEST place to turn to is where else, the government! Personally I can not wait until my health care is delivered to me with the speed of the DMV, the customer service of the IRS and with the simple rules of a town government construction permit office! (Ever try to put an addition on you house and go through the local zoning board? So easy, so simple so efficient!)

Image Red Square, please talk me off the ledge. I am afraid if I jump and do not die, I will be attended to by government health care officals. Wait, if they are the ones to fix me up, death will not be too far away. I do find it funny that after I looked at Drudge Report, this site was the very next one I checked. Kind of like therapy for a conservative.

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Finally, Amerikkka will have a Glorious Peoples Commissariat For Health Control that is suitable for The World Of Next Tuesday!

Next up: Every prole must purchase a Cadillac Escalade!

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Comrade Unkulturny, how dare you! An Escalade is terrible for the health of Gaia. No, rather everyone must buy a Volt. Not only is it Green™, but when it catches fire, it will take a small load off of the People's Health Care.

So, on to business. How does it feel to finally have this unnecessary burden of freedom taken off your shoulders, comrades, now that Congress can pass any bill they want as long as it has a penalty tax? In other words,

How does it feel to be a subject of the One today?


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If conservatives don't come together in common cause to throw these national socialists out, the United States as we know it will very soon cease to exist. It may anyway - a lot of damage has already been done. I'll admit Romney wasn't my first or even second choice. But he's the only viable alternative. A vote for anyone else for any reason is ultimately a vote for Obama.

Glorious!! My skills can now be put into service for the Party! Line up for your prostate exams and learn all about Dear Leaders doctrine of WTF. ™

Image I have no words. I usually only have a problem with "Prog On".

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Hey, who's up for a good old-fashioned rampage?

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Patrick Kennedy, a former representative from Rhode Island and son of the late Ted Kennedy, warned in a fundraising email for Congressional Democrats that if the U.S. Supreme Court upholds President Obama's health care law, then “dangerous Tea Party extremists will go on a rampage.”

From the mouth of a Kennedy to rightwing ears:

If the Court upholds the law, dangerous Tea Party extremists will go on a rampage. Backed by Super PAC's and shadowy front groups like Karl Rove's Crossroads GPS, they'll do everything in their power to defeat President Obama, demonize Democrats who fought for health care reform and, if they win the election, dismantle the law piece-by-piece.

Not just any front groups, but shadowy front groups!

Defeat! Demonize! Dismantle!

Impeach! Evict,,,,!

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Can't wait to have my doctor's office be run like a DMV. I can get my registration updated as well as my blood pressure. Two for the price of one. Isn't Socialisim great!?!?!?


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I hereby request a transfer to serve the Party Image as a Independent Payment Advisory Board Bureaucrat. It looks like my kinda fun.

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Our Supreme Leader has done it again! No longer will we have to wonder who's in control of our health! I know I'm far too busy building up our collective society to worry about that! Thanks government! There's also a surprising amount of work our Dear Lady is putting into the slimming of our overweight capitalism. Just institute a breadline! Standing burns calories!

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Image So when I'm sent to the gulag for refusing to buy abortion-covering insurance, which one of y'all is busting me out? =-p (Never mind the reason I could never get insurance privately was specifically because I CAN'T have kids (sorry if that's TMI;) doncha know Dear Leader and his cronies know better and it's Only Fair that I buy insurance that includes paying for services I'm biologically incapable of ever needing? *Eyeroll* And never mind the conscience-part...)

Image Comrades! We must hail Pinkie's call! Take the shovel from the Shovel Ready job Dear Leader has graciously bestowed upon you and do your Party Duty! It'll be like whack-a-mole only with Rethuglikkkans and teabaggers!

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Rock Tsar wrote:How does it feel to finally have this unnecessary burden of freedom taken off your shoulders, comrades, now that Congress can pass any bill they want as long as it has a penalty tax?
This is the crux of the biscuit. Based upon this decision, virtually anything can now be mandated by the federal government, as long as there's a tax if you choose not to follow the mandate. How's that for legal precedent? How long until FLATUS suggests Scalia's "broccoli mandate"?

Oh yeah: Off/On...

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I, for one, cannot wait for the burden of what to eat and what to wear to be taken from my entitled shoulders!

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Comrade Jibaro - I felt an overwhelming urge to make an illustration for your post and couldn't resist inserting it into your original post. The newly constitutionalized federal law mandates that you praise this effort, express your deepest gratitude for my service, and cut me 70% of your beet rations.

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I am impressed that Comrade Jibaro rather than Comrade Red Square posted this beautiful picture. Humbly I add the text to it.

Эй, ухнем!
Эй, ухнем!
Ещё разик, ещё да раз!
Эй, ухнем!
Эй, ухнем!
Ещё разик, ещё да раз!
Разовьём мы берёзу,
Разовьём мы кудряву!
Ай-да, да ай-да,
Aй-да, да ай-да,
Разовьём мы кудряву.
Мы по бережку идём,
Песню солнышку поём.
Ай-да, да ай-да,
Aй-да, да ай-да,
Песню солнышку поём.
Эй, эй, тяни канат сильней!
Песню солнышку поём.
Эй, ухнем!
Эй, ухнем!
Ещё разик, ещё да раз!
Эх ты, Волга, мать-река,
Широка и глубока,
Ай-да, да ай-да,
Aй-да, да ай-да,
Волга, Волга, мать-река
Эй, ухнем!
Эй, ухнем!
Ещё разик, ещё да раз!
Эй, ухнем!
Эй, ухнем!



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Comrade Red Square! I am anxiously waiting to evolve from a lowly prole into a beautiful lowly serf! When exactly does this next exciting party approved "Change" take place??

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Ah yes, another step on our way to a glorious Harrison Bergeron world. Next Tuesday can't come soon enough.

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Comrades,

Today I became evil imperialist gringo: got the USSA citizenship, applied for the passport, and registered as a rethuglican voter. All at once. Quite a productive day.

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You know, as I continue to think this through, I can't help but wonder...

Here's what Charles Hurt said:

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Though he shocked many by joining the left plank on the high court, Justice Roberts pretty much did what he was supposed to do. He finally put a boundary on how much freedom the federal government can gobble up from states and individuals under the “commerce clause” — that most specious scheme for so much federal thievery.

Then he told President Obama and his kleptocrats in Congress that they can have their health care law, but they cannot keep lying about it. A tax is a tax and they are liars if they call it anything else. And they just stuck the crippled American taxpayer with one of the biggest, broadest, most regressive tax-hikes in history — and during a deep recession!

Finally, Justice Roberts turned to the bumbling, tongue-twisted and goofball opposition party — sometimes called the “Republican” party but usually called the “stupid” or “slow” party — and told them to man up, quit whining and fix the horrific mess that they are so much responsible for. They may have messed their diaper, but he's not changing it for them.

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Frankly, I can't say that I disagree with any of that. Here's the full article.

Time will tell. IF Mitt Romney decides to grow a pair between now and November, this may be sufficient ammunition to get rid of Obama. And that will be important IF the Republicans keep the House and capture the Senate - which this ruling might give them the ammunition to do - and IF they ALL grow sufficient pairs to actually get rid of this monstrosity.

Of course, it's also possible that the fix is truly in and all we need to do is wait for the overweight female vocalist as we head for the beet fields for real...

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Kamerad Rock - Of course, you are kompletely korrekt!

However, in my Kapacity as Laundry And Morale Officer for my Kollectiv, I was referring to the (soon-to-be-introduced) Solar-Powered Escalade (available in selected areas for a paltry $68,000 above the tiny sticker price of the Filthy Greenhouse-Gas Spewing Escalade.) It IS Commissar Obama Motors, nyet?

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Glorious!


Dear Leader had a problem...he has not been able to win the hearts and minds of anyone that did not support him 4 years ago. Even more troubling is that many have turned their backs on Dear Leader (ahem).

Union exemption+30 million uninsured Americans+children fresh out of UFT approved educational facilities=equality!

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Ummm guys, do you really believe I am the only one that turned?

You know what I used to tell kids? I told them if they were not sure what they wanted to do in life to either pursue a city job or go to Kingsborough Community College and become either a nurse or a physical therapist.

I know a few nurses in Florida....THEY CAN'T FIND JOBS NOW!

I am dead serious....a year and a half ago there were bonuses for new nurses...if you recommended one and they got hired you received a 5,000 dollar bonus for recruiting one to a hospital....that's how it WAS.

Even I take the Supreme Court seriously now...


What you guys need to understand is that only a real smack in the face will wake idealists like me up.

Silver lining....

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Why do you call it serfdom, Comrades?

The ruling means the end of discrimination, plain and simple. The livestock should have never been allowed to discriminate to begin with.

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Here is why I think what Justice Roberts did was an ambush on the SCOTUS' lefties. He knows Obamacare is just so much taurusfimus but this gave him an opportunity to do a few things.

1) SCOTUS just narrowed congressional power. They can no longer use the commerce clause as a catch-all for their revenue generating schemes.

2) The GOP Christmas came early. Roberts just handed the GOP a club that Romney can use to beat Obama like a drum from now until November. The debates will be more lively IF Romney keeps the pressure on about no taxes on people making less than 250k per year, but Obamacare is now a tax. There's just no way to spin that a tax increase isn't a tax increase. That didn't work too well for Bush 41 either.

I think Roberts led the SCOTUS' lefties down the garden path. They went along happily, skipping, and hopping, and jumping, and singing, while they thought they just gave the conservatives a big loss. But what happened was the four liberals on the Supreme Court, including the two Obama appointed, just called Obama a liar!

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John Roberts, the Manchurian Justice!

It was beautiful. Ruth leaned over and whispered the words "dictatorship of the proletariat" into Roberts' ear and he snapped into progressive mode, executing his programmed task flawlessly.

Now, let's make every household pay a TAX if its occupants fail to install low-flush, energy-efficient toilets. HAHAHAHA. It'll be constitutional, bitches!

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So now I can be forced to buy peas, and "penalized" for not eating them...

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Those peas are good for you, Comrade. If you are a loyal party member you will be eating them already. Am I amiss something in my logicals?

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Should not the ObamaCare vehicle being pulled by the serfs be a glorious new Chevy Volt? It's for the Common Good. ™

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Fhalkyn wrote:Obama promised no new taxes. Now that Obamacare is a tax, perhaps the American People will rise up and vote him out.
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I doubt that. Ever since he was nominated I have been scratching my head wondering why even the Democrats would like him. Health care hasn't actually become any more available now than it was before, only now it also costs money to not have health care. Meaning that Obama's supporters whose main complaint is not having health care now have to pay to not have health care. But their support is none the weaker. The worst part is that they don't seem to understand that whatever the government provides, it can withhold. When the free market is destroyed, there are no competitors to turn to. And when the government thus becomes the sole provider of health care, it can suspend your health and let you die for any reason. You don't like that? Too bad, no health care for you.

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Gee, it's a thorny issue. What a thorny issue.

Either the Supreme Court is supposed to determine whether or not law is constitutional and if not strike it down and tell the congress they'd better rewrite it so it is consistent with the constitution or the Chief Justice can decide to uphold the law in question with an argument that wasn't the intent of congress thus legislating from the bench, and we can rationalize the reason for him doing this as using his position on the Supreme Court in an effort to influence the political climate for the upcoming election. [Apologies for the long sentence.]

Gee, what a thorny issue. [No apologies for the sarcasm.]

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Margaret - I see your point. I hear opinions that Roberts is a genius who made a brilliant move in a long game. That may be true too, it's hard to see clearly from my bunker. But just like you I have also wondered if upholding the Constitution shouldn't take precedence over political games, long or short.

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Image Robert's job is to uphold the Constitution. The case before him was, can the government mandate that you purchase a product? He said no, yet still found a way not to strike it down. He didn't do his job... PERIOD.

All the mental gymnastics that some are engaging in just ignores the hard cold reality that Roberts betrayed us. Even if certain aspects of the ruling reap some benifit in the future, it doesn't change the fact that Roberts isn't the man we hoped he'd be.
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Success!! HaHaHaHaHa! I have never seen so many dissenters reveal their true identities through the Party approved Prog Off identifier! This is so exciting I denounce myself!

Stalin never died.

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Comrade Gooneybirdova, we do these >spit< things to lure the REAL dissenters out so that we can report them to [email protected], an email address which I have as the default in my email software so that it's always available at a moment's notice! I recommend you do the same.

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I caught only a part of a discussion on reich-wing hate-speech talk radio today, (scanning for marching and beet-tending music, of course...) making the comparison that if the Rethugglikans <spit> ever took charge they could (by current law) require everyone to purchase and carry a 9mm Glock, and TAX those who fail to comply...

Image and if that causes Nanski Pelosi's botoxed head to explode, then the idea has merit...

Image WHOSE RULES DO THOSE RETHUGLIKKANS THINK THEY CAN PLAY BY ANYWAY? We arranged for the rich to pay for our right to play by our rules.

They want to live in the past with their dead white-guy constitution, they can play by the old rules. FORWARD!!!

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Internet filter # 639 "Prog Off". . . You guys are *so* busted.

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Yes, exactly. Long game? We're supposed to believe that the supreme court playing some Machiavellian long game would be good? That this would be a brilliant move? What the hell kind of twisted logic is that!? What sort of world are people living in where they think that the supreme court shouldn't do it's job - it should play macivelian politics!?

As if all of this is about politics and power plays and winning elections.

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First thing I'm going to do is get my last few thoughtcrimes erased now that Jiffy Lobo's are FREE.

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Can we tax those dissenters who don't get a Jiffy Lobo yet?

M84
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We must go further and tax those who aren't having ENOUGH Lobos or having them frequently enough. Several hours of required MSNBC State People's Television watching per day should do the trick.


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M84 wrote:Image So when I'm sent to the gulag for refusing to buy abortion-covering insurance, which one of y'all is busting me out? =-p (Never mind the reason I could never get insurance privately was specifically because I CAN'T have kids (sorry if that's TMI;) doncha know Dear Leader and his cronies know better and it's Only Fair that I buy insurance that includes paying for services I'm biologically incapable of ever needing? *Eyeroll* And never mind the conscience-part...)

Rethuglikkkans and teabaggers!
Conscience? Whose Conscience? There is only ONE Conscience. Ommmmm...

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Comrades, you are missing the point. The point is rationing health care so we can kill off the sick and the halt and the old--you know, the ones who don't work and therefore cannot be taxed. Our strategy is to entice people into dependency until they must have it or riot, then gradually we control more and more of their behavior.

And old people just eat up money. Kill them off. Why have heart surgery after 65? No reason. Lots of European countries cut it off at 65.

And as far as diabetes goes, either encourage people to eat and get grossly fat and die early, making sure not to use the megadoses of insulin, or just frankly starve them. Worked in Ukraine and China.

Unproductive people cannot work and cannot make things for us to steal. So they must be killed.

Obamacare to the rescue.

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This reminds me... The Cube wrote about this back in 2005.

Socialized Healthcare: No Drugs For The Useless!

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A foreign report from Dr. Fuku, on assignment in Europe

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Voice of progress: kill the healthcare hogs![/td][/tr][/table][/td][td]"Kill the healthcare hogs!" is the progressive message we hear increasingly from the more socially advanced comrades in Europe. How many times have you stood in line at the pharmacy behind an ancient decrepit walking dead? Inevitably, they order dozens of medications and then pay almost nothing as our Mother State picks up the tab! How is one to deal with these selfish broken-down useless monsters as they suck the economic lifeblood from our Cities?

As usual, the Europeans have been leading the way. We all know how successful their previous bold moves in socialized health care have been.[/td][/tr][/table]

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Mrs. Red Square wrote:This reminds me... The Cube wrote about this back in 2005.

There will be no more of that wild cowboy capitalist healthcare. No more lawless old people hogging it all. No more anarchy in health care. Unregulated health care had it's day and it failed. Now they'll be some law and order in the industry.

And no more healthcare-hog freeloaders!

Darned kulaks make me sick.


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Dear Comrades,

As is so very often the case, I am confused, bewildered, puzzled, perplexed, baffled, mystified, disoriented, disconcerted, flummoxed, muddled, discombobulated, dumfounded, discomposed, and just generally confounded... and so perhaps someone could clarify the situation for me. I was reading an article on "Obamacare" and it seems to differ, as a policy, a great deal, from what we in Kanadistan call National or Universal Healthcare... In Kanadistan, the federal government takes a portion of the dollars stolen remitted from our paychecks as part of our various taxes, and this goes to the federal government, which then transfers it to the provinces and territories, where each has a Ministry of Health, which then administers our universal healthcare system. But as I understand it, the Obamacare bill does not work this way. Instead, against everything I understand about your Constitution and what it has to say about Life, Liberty, Happiness, Independence, Freedom and Commerce, Obamacare requires each citizen to purchase health insurance from a private insurance company... essentially regulating that each citizen must purchase personal private health insurance...

Now, I understand that for all intents and purposes, this amounts to the same thing as taxing each person, by forcing you to buy something you may or may not otherwise want to buy... and although I don't believe that insurance companies, and particularly health insurance companies have particularly good track records when it comes to wanting to pay out the money they've taken in from their customers when the time comes for those customers to pay for necessary medical treatment, seeing as they are businesses and have a profit motive and a bottom line to protect (it's a pretty well known fact that as a policy, they will go out of their way to delay and dissemble to keep their profit margin at a certain point, to appease their shareholders who expect returns on their investment... they are businesses, and as businesses go, not particularly compassionate or ethical businesses... I also know this, having worked for over a year as a librarian in the legal library of the Canadian Life and Health Insurance Association - one of my many jobs - and many of our private health insurance companies are the same as yours)... But they do, as a rule, being businesses, often provide services in a much more economical and less wasteful way (often by denying services to those who have paid for them in good faith...but that's another issue)... As private businesses, they are simply more efficient at providing services than governments tend to be...

But, regardless of their ethics or other issues, and keeping in mind the fact that the government seems to be unconstitutionally forcing individuals to purchase something and taking that decision out of your hands, which essentially amounts to taxation by another name, even if the funds aren't going to the government, is this not a bit different than the notion of universal health care as it exists in the UK or Kandadistan?

Perhaps as a Kanadistanian who is not as familiar with the US Constitution as I might otherwise be, and keeping in mind the other issues I mentioned, could someone please explain to me how this is equivalent to the notion of taxed universal healthcare as it exists now in Kanadistan... I do understand the similarities, but I see differences as well... I'm just trying to understand, as I had a completely different understanding of the fundamentals of Obamacare until I read this article that explained the particulars...

Sister Monumentally Obtuse (AND Massively Opiated... not that the 1st results from the 2nd)

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Sister Massively Opiated wrote: Perhaps as a Kanadistanian who is not as familiar with the US Constitution as I might otherwise be, and keeping in mind the other issues I mentioned, could someone please explain to me how this is equivalent to the notion of taxed universal healthcare as it exists now in Kanadistan... I do understand the similarities, but I see differences as well... I'm just trying to understand, as I had a completely different understanding of the fundamentals of Obamacare until I read this article that explained the particulars...

I think your premise is mistaken. It isn't intended to be the equivalent of taxed universal healthcare as it exists in Kanadistan.

ObamaCare accomplishes two things: it grants the Secretary of Health and Human Services new unprecedented power in many aspects of the economy and personal lives of the people [meaning in realpolitic it grants the President new unprecedented power]; and it destroys the private health insurance industry by making it imposible for companies to justify paying the premiums. It's a means to universal healthcare.

And of course, universal healthcare is a means to something even greater, Next Tuesday!!!

This is all about getting to Next Tuesday. And now that ObamaCare has survived the Supreme Court I think we can all safely say that Next Tuesday is just around the corner.

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Comrades, as you know, each state has its own mandates on what insurance must cover. Some states require coverage for the removal of port-wine stains. Life-threatening, those. If there was ever private insurance which was mandated for an obvious pre-existing condition, it's port-wine stains. You are BORN with them.

We will go from private insurance getting astronomically expensive ($225/month in 1996 to $2100/month now for me), and my deductible is $10K. And no doctor's visits. But it pays for everything else--blood work, all labs, CAT-scans, &c. It pays enough that in most cases the negotiated price is enough for the provider and I pay nothing more. Than of course $10K a year plus 12 x $2100.

Then when that insurance company has died, we'll have the Death Panel, which will possibly cover the removal of port-wine stains, if some Pooh-Bah's daughter has one, but which will not give heart surgery to anyone over 65.

With the extra layers of bureaucracy, and the IRS agents hired for "compliance," then we may be assured that Obamacare will be the worst bargain in history. For people who are concerned about health.

For progs, though, it will be the best thing in history. Think of all the grinding misery that we can inflict. I can get high-resolution CAT-SCans here in Pecos, a poor town with a population of $9K, the same day or the next one. If I have an emergency, it's instant. Same with a full Pulmonary Function Test, normal X-rays, most any blood work, and so forth.

This will of course be closed down, so that people can drive 80 miles to Odessa, to struggle, while ill, to get into a huge hospital, after waiting for two months to get an appointment. Then wait two months more to have it read.

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Half the service at twice the price ! ( if we're lucky )

Fitting, is it not, that Dear Leader's name is indelibly affixed to this initiative.

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Father Prog Theocritus wrote:Comrades, as you know, etc, etc, etc ...

This will of course be closed down, so that people can drive 80 miles to Odessa, to struggle, while ill, to get into a huge hospital, after waiting for two months to get an appointment. Then wait two months more to have it read.

Here at Halliburton Government Unlimited Services Group we're putting together an exciting new Health Care In the 21st Century initiative.

What we're proposing to the Obama administration is nothing less than a complete modernization of our whole health care system. Old fashioned brick and mortar health care with all it's out of control costs is the product of outdated policies that do not work and have driven the economy into the dirt.

Our Health Care In the 21st Century initiative, called Doctor Obama, will create a new virtual hospital using new state of the art technologies. It's the future today! All anyone that needs medical care has to do to see the best medical professionals is go online and visit Doctor Obama. No waiting. No driving 80 miles to a horse and buggy era version of health care. Virtual Doctor Obama will ask some questions, make diagnosis based on the latest information, and tell the patient exactly what to do. You'll even be able to explore the virtual hospital, Obama Medical Center, and my team tells me you'll even have the option to make your virtual Obama Medical Center look like anything from a huge modern hospital or a small-town Norman Rockwell sort of place. You get all the options! And if you explore and find the secret easter eggs we've hidden in the hospital you can collect bonus points.

This will save the government, and that means you, lots of money.

I'm happy to say that Obama likes our ideas on how to bring health care into the 21st century.

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$.$. Halliburton wrote: Our Health Care In the 21st Century initiative, called
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, will create a new virtual hospital using new state of the art technologies. It's the future today! All anyone that needs medical care has to do to see the best medical professionals is go online and visit Doctor Obama.

The virtual surgery is going to be a killer!

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Gulag 4 Alfred wrote:The virtual surgery is going to be a killer!

Surgery! That's an old policy of the past that didn't work. All the experts agree that those old policies have caused our massive deficits, harmed the economy, and held health care back from the reforms needed to bring us into the 21st century.

I just talked to Dr. Lysenko about it the other day. He's one of Obama's top medical policy advisors. His credentials are impeccable.

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It's not only not a tax, it's going to save American jobs by employing approximately a gazillion lawyers!

Look, kids, 13,000 pages of new regulations already!

WEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

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Dear Comrades Otis and Theo,

I understand what you're saying. But isn't this unconstitutional, under the US constitution, as I understand it? I don't understand how your government can force you to purchase something and have it be legal under your constitution. I know that's very repetitive, but it's very confusing.

In Kanadistan, we're faced with a separate problem. There are services which the government (like a private insurer in the US) can decide not to provide for a patient, although the problem is usually more waiting times for things like MRI's and whatnot that we could go across the border to the US and pay $500 - $900 to get the next day if we didn't want to wait for 5 to 8 months (or get a cancellation by luck)... for my orthopaedic surgeon - the one who will be doing the surgery on my back if it is deemed 'do-able' and my back is strong enough, to simply get in to see one for back surgery is over a two year wait at the moment, which means that procedures such as kyphoplasty and vertebraplasty (both of which are much less invasive than the surgery I will hopefully eventually have, which for me will involve screwing and pinning my spine back together with plates after re-breaking it... kyphoplasty is an outpatient surgery, done laporoscopically in one day, and vertebraplasty requires you to be in the hospital for up to a week, but sometimes less), which must be done within months of fracturing a vertebrae, then becomes impossible because too much time has passed (this was the case with me, not because I was waiting to see a surgeon, but because, as you both know, I didn't know I'd broken half my vertebrae... or shattered my rib cage, for that matter, until I landed in the hospital in 2008, which by then was too late)... But even in the two years after my big adventure in 2008, I continued to fracture my spine and the waiting times to see the doctors who must do these procedures made them impossible for me to have... too much time had passed by the time I could even have an initial consult with a doctor, let alone schedule the surgery ... It is only "good timing" that the bone strengthening medication that the drug company is giving to me on compassionate grounds as it costs more than I make in a year and the government will not pay for it, requires that I have 26 - 4 week rounds... so two years, and I got in to see my current surgeon (who is willing to do the surgery if my bones are strong enough, as opposed to the first surgeon I saw) just as I began the first round of daily injections, and as a favour to the first who felt badly for me but was not willing to take on the risk he felt I wouldn't benefit from (for me, the risk is worth being able to walk again, it seems to me... can't get much worse, so why not at least try!)... I don't know why HE wouldn't take on the risk... we can't sue doctors for malpractice in Kanadistan, unless they are so grossly negligent as to actually fall under the category of being criminal... so essentially, there is no such thing as malpractice... or very very rarely, and I'm going to have to sign away any right to sue him unless he shows up drunk or otherwise impaired, so where's the risk for him? I understand the risks... They'll have to put me in a coma for a week or two after the surgery... wouldn't be the first or second time... heheheheh... and there's the risk of infection... well... hospitals are full of bugs and anyone who has surgery in them is at risk of infection... that's what best practices are for. And he's a freaking back surgeon!

The issue in Kanadistan is that it is illegal to have a so-called two-tiered medical system within the country, so while I can pay for anything in the US, I cannot purchase it even if I had the means to, in Kanadistan. However, there are times when Kanadistanians are sent to the US by our government for medical coverage that is not available here... very new treatments that simply aren't available because for such specialized doctors, a population of 33 million is a much smaller market, and so they choose to stay in the US where they can charge more because the government does not limit their billing, and because they have more patients... However, not everyone who needs surgeries or treatments that are only available in the US is sent there by our government, and some must pay for the treatment themselves. We do have private insurance, but I no longer qualify under any plan, as someone with so many disabilities and diseases/conditions, and so I rely on government insurance. This means, for example, that I have no dental insurance (although refugees to Kanadistan have all their dental work covered, for some reason) because the government pays doctors and my government insurance covers most drugs (those it doesn't, I get from the drug companies on compassionate grounds, usually, because I qualify under pathetic chronic gimpitudidness, and I'm sure they get some kind of tax break from the government)...

But currently there is a very young boy - only three years old - whose only hope to maintain any sight in one eye is to go to Michigan for surgery. The doctors at Sick Kids Hospital in Toronto have already told his parents that they don't have the expertise to treat his rare condition, but the government insists they go back to Sick Kids for treatment and won't pay for any of his treatments in Michigan because of some idiotic rule about paying for sedation... you can't do a fine eye exam to plan a surgery to reattach a retina on a 3 year old unless they're sedated because they won't sit still, but the government won't pay for him to be sedated, so they won't pay for any of the treatment... idiotic... His parents are currently trying to raise funds privately - something they have tried to avoid until now because they didn't want to beg - in a last ditch effort to save his sight... I'm sure they won't have a problem... a couple newspaper articles and they should have more than enough... What's that old line? "If it bleeds, it leads..." Whether it's some 16 year old gang-banger gunning down another 16 year old gang-banger, or a 3 year old who the government won't pay for eye surgery for and so will go blind because the government let him... both GSW's and hearts bleed...

But also, from experience, and from the experience of both a friend who worked as a low level assessor for an insurance company in Kanadistan (and quit in disgust so he could focus full-time on his writing... no Kafka jokes please... I've already thrown every one I can think of at him), as well as a good friend who was a very well-respected doctor and researcher in Boston and knew how 'good' the insurance companies are at meeting their obligations... videlicet, they often don't and refuse to give treatment to patients who patently deserve it, having paid for it through their premiums, or won't cover drugs which they should... Insurance companies are not particularly compassionate, as it is their business to make a profit.

So, I'm not sure what to say, except, that's even more socialist than Kanadistan... Nobody forces anyone to pay for private insurance here, although anyone who can afford it and for whom the insurance company is likely to actually pay out (unlike me) buys it, especially for dental work, which as I mentioned, the government doesn't cover unless you're practically homeless or a refugee, and then they just take out all your teeth, which wouldn't be so good for my Crohn's and malabsorption issues... my government drug plan covers most drugs, although they'll only pay for generics, which are often not in the most absorbable form... again, a problem for my Crohn's, and why I often crack my slow release morphine pills in half even though you're not supposed to... a doctor told me to, or it would be pointless to take them because of the wax coating on them... I don't stand a chance of breaking it down... the on-label is a capsule and what you get in the hospital (supposedly, so you don't 'abuse' them... by chewing them... though there's a big difference between cutting a pill in half and chewing it), and from experience, is much more effective... and as the doctor said to me, it's not like I'm going to absorb more than half of the pill even if I crack it in half because I malabsorb everything... Our government pays for most surgeries, albeit, not in such a timely way, which is to say, we don't see a bill, outside of our taxes, but it can take forever to get a surgery done... but unlike in the US, up here, we don't have to pay for most procedures and can't bump people to the head of the line through private insurance, which is not used to cover medical procedures or most tests (although they've recently started limiting the number of tests a doctor can self-refer if they do them themselves, and are trying to strong-arm them into doing less test referrals, which is not great news for anyone... but that's the price my province pays for having voted in a Liberal government AGAIN (you'd think they'd learn... they actually call our provincial Premiere, "Premiere Dad"... it's a sad joke, and if you think having a nanny state is bad... try having a parent state)... In theory, I could 'travel' to the US on a 'vacation', have an 'accident', and having bought travel insurance, I might be able to get something like an MRI or even some treatment, but not a procedure for a pre-existing condition that's changed within the last three months, and my conditions are always changing, given that I have so many. But nobody can force anyone to buy private insurance in Kanadistan.

Congratulations... unless you're financially comfortable, you're all fu**ed, and even if you are, you're going to end up broke paying doctors to do what the government is forcing you to pay insurance for...

And just when I thought I was finally getting a handle on your constitution and laws and lawmaking and government... so very confusing.

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Comrade Sister, the most important thing to remember when attempting to understand our Constitution is that it's NOT what some of the extreme reich wing wackos claim it to be - i.e., an exhaustive list of all the things the feral government is allowed to do, which is to say that if it's not in there they can't do it - but, rather, you should think of it as a living, breathing document, penumbra and all, which allows our benevolent feral government to do all things that are beneficial to we, the unwashed masses.

By way of example: though it should have been blatantly clear to everyone that our dear President, B. Hussein Obama, could constitutionally create a health system, due to the unrest fomented by the reich wing Teabaggers our Supreme Court took time out of their busy day to point out the obvious - the feral government is allowed to make us do ANYTHING as long as there's a tax involved!

Hopefully, as generations of college and university students are properly educated and graduated, this misunderstanding by small groups of ignorant Teabaggers and Rethugglikkkans will eventually disappear.

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Sister, Nanski Peloski told us it was constitutional, so it had to be constitutional. Chief Justice Roberts licks her feet every morning before he goes to the Supreme Court building. Or her talons.

President Kardashian thinks that we ought to have a Constitution of enumerated rights of the citizens, to be filled by government, instead of a Constitution of enumerated governmental powers.

Texas' Constitution has very many amendments, because our Constitution permits Austin to do only what is written in it, and nothing more. When we wanted Bingo, we had to pass a constitutional amendment for it.

This must stop. The entire Constitution of the State of Texas should read

We, the Citizens of the State of Texas, United States of America, do hereby grant whatever stercoraceous warm body has risen to the top of the dung heap in Austin complete and absolute power to do anything, from taking all of our money to barbecuing our first-born, if the Chief-of-the-Dung-Heap deems it necessary, or it's a nice day, or he wants to.

There will be no due process of law, no trial by jury, and no habeas corpus.

All property will belong to the State and will be leased, on terms agreeable to the State, to citizens, should the State want to.

There will no crimes, for the State cannot by definition commit a crime and the citizens exist only for the care and feeding of the State

There will be only criminals, who will be chosen as politically required.


There. That will make a splendid Constitution.

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Image Justice Roberts Gettin Dizzy Wid It...
Justice Roberts Gettin Dizzy Wid It...

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Very nice Comrade Commissar People's Director!!!
Red Square wrote:Well, Romney now has a new logo:

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There is no real cure for autoendoproctanism.

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Pistov, is that related by my autoencephaloproctology?


 
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