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Commissar_Elliott
The progress of demise of a democracy follows:From Bondage > Faith
Faith > Great Courage
Courage > Freedom
Freedom > Abundance
Abundance > Complacency
Complacency > Apathy
Apathy > Dependency
Dependency > Bondage (repeat)
A nitpick: Why does courage have to be "great courage"?
Commissar_Elliott
When you reach the Bondage part again, you reach a dictatorship due to people not getting the money they voted themselves for, and which they depend on.First off, "they voted themselves for" made the grammatical part of my brain hurt. Second, I doubt that dependency leads to bondage in terms of government. Third, this cycle doesn't account for the rise of dictatorships accurately. It's too simple, and even then, isn't correct. A lot of people depended (and still do) on Social Security & government-created jobs during the New Deal, but that didn't lead to an American dictatorship.
Commissar_Elliott
Since America has a socialist governmentYou must realize how retarded that sounds. We are the only industrialized country in the Western world that doesn't have a viable social democratic/labor party. To say that the government that was, less than a year ago, headed by the most conservative, free-market loving president since Reagan is socialist is beyond retarded. Your reaching into Glenn Beck territory, there, shooter.
Commissar_Elliott
(I say that because when you bail out business, this is government intervention, or in other words socialism),So George W. Bush & every president (including Reagan, remember the air traffickers strike?) after FDR, was socialist?
Commissar_Elliott
it's only a matter of time before a candidate promises, and delivers on his word (Obama?)The grammatical part of my brain is having Vietnam-style flashbacks. Of course, you'll just say that that means I'm a communist since I have "VIETNAM"-style flashbacks (get it?get it?they're communist!), so I'm going to preempt your "witty" retort right now.
Commissar_Elliott
But I see America having a slightly different outcome then a complete dictatorship, and I will return with such a response, but for now, I must leave.So you think that America, because we are "socialist" will turn into a semi-dictatorship? That, in itself is retarded. Scandinavia is ruled by governments that are socialist (with a cradle-to-grave welfare state), but are among the most democratic, best governments in the entire world. Also, America is by no means socialist, and is, in fact, so conservative compared to other industrialized nations, that most European conservative politicians would feel right at home in the Democratic Party & would not be welcome with the GOP.
So, in short: You fail politics forever.
Commissar_Elliott
As I previously stated, I still have some unfinished business, so I will continue and give everyone a response to their comments later.Oh, this is gonna be good..
Commissar_Elliott
The problem with America lays in two places, the government and the people, and while this may seem redundant to what I just said not too long ago, let me explain. The biggest problem is, not in class struggle, but with the many different opinions of Americans or in other words, politics."The problem is that people have different opinions! If only we lived in a country where there was only one opinion, an opinion over all others..."
Commissar_Elliot
As everyone knows,I smell a logical fallacy.
Commissar_Elliott
there lay two distinct groups of politics, the liberals and conservatives (independents don't count, they are grouped into either or).It is not that simple. You omit such groups such as: libertarians, anarchists, Objectivists, moderates, progressives (which are different than liberals), and "identity politics' (i.e.-black civil right advocates, feminists, etc.), among others.
Commissar_Elliott
We are all familiar with the policies each side wants to enact, all in what each side believes is the best way to govern a nation, so I won't bore you with the details. The biggest problem is unlike anything history has ever shown, where the problem lay with too few having too much, and the too many with too few revolting for the many, in this American phenomenon, it's too many having too much, or in other words, the political beliefs of the majority are not growing, they are instead shrinking.The last part of your sentence is a non sequitur. Because there was a class struggle (which is what you are saying is the reoccuring theme in history) does not mean that the "majority" (does that mean the rich, the middle class, the poor?) has a shrinking pool of political beliefs.
Also, it's great that you admit that Marx's view of history was correct.
Commissar_Elliott
Today, for now, we usually have a balance of power shift due to people dying and coming of age."Today, for now," is perhaps the worst example of illiteracy I've seen today. Also, from what it looks like, you aren't really well-versed in generational politics, so it'd probably be best if...
Commissar_Elliott
Older liberals die off to make way for "young" (roughly 30+) conservatives, creating a conservative "majority", and eventually the reverse happens. However, look at any good and large poll, and you will see what I meant by the political beliefs shrinking. Roughly, we stand at about a 50-50 stance on the liberal/conservative side of America. Eventually however, that "roughly" will become a non-existent introductory clause. Eventually, maybe not in my lifetime I hope, but even by next generation's time, the nation will become too divided amongst itself to support itself.So, your reasoning is this: 1) America's citizens pretty much all have access to a surplus of goods & services. 2) This somehow means that their political opinions get much more narrow and rigid. 3) Generational change somehow figures into this. 4)In two generation's time, this somehow will have turned the United States into a futuristic copy of itself in 1860. How am I doing so far?
Commissar_Elliott
When this happens, conflict will become inevitable, but unlike formal warfare in the past (WWII esque), it will be like the more recent warfare (think guerrilla warfare), where the two sides will fight in the second American Civil War. This will ultimatly lead to one of two possible outcomes: A superstate "1984"-esque unending war, or either side eventually surrendering/collapsing/dissolving.Those are not the only outcomes. They could form a coalition government after a peace agreement, for example. Just because you desperately want your vision of an 1984-style US to come true doesn't mean it will come to pass
Commissar_Elliott
There is just one detail I want to highlight in the "1984" portion, how the nations will divide themselves remains to be determined,Civil wars are not fought between other nations, but with different factions inside one nation.
Commissar_Elliott
if I were to take a guess, the East and West will become the liberal side, and the center will become the conservative side.By "center" you mean the Midwest? If current trends continue, I'd say the conservative side would consist of: the former Confederacy (plus Kentucky & maybe Indiana, but possibly minus Virginia), Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Idaho, Utah, & maybe Montana. Also, if Alaska has any say in it, they'll go to the conservatives, unless Todd Palin's Alaska Independence Party comes to power.
Commissar_Elliott
On the second part though, one side eventually falling, the outcome will eventually repeat itself from the beginning, creating a gigantic sense of irony. If the conservatives win, chances are, they will reinstate some sort of democracy, starting at the "liberty" portion of the list previously described, eventually leading back to the third American Civil War. If the liberals win, a communistic like state will be imposed, creating a Soviet-esque superstate, where as described again, few have all, all have few. Starting the process all over again at "bondage", ending at the third American Civil War.Apparently, all conservatives are champions of liberty & justice, while the liberals are communists in disguise (OMG, like Transformers!!11!). Your unbiased, totally realistic appraisal of modern political ideologies projected 50-75 years into the future after a war of undetermined length & ferocity is surely the greatest example of reasoning outside of FOX News.
Commissar_Elliott
As you can see, this is an ugly cycle which keep repeating itself. I just want to note though, this is not only my opinion, but probably a worst case scenario, so don't take it as absolute.Oh, good. For a second there, I was going to take it "as absolute", but then you said that. I'm so relieved.
Commissar_Elliott
On the last note, this brings me back to the Communist ManifestoAKA Commissar Elliott's Bible.
Commissar_Elliott
and all I said. If my cycle were correct and inevitable, we are basically heading for a communist state, but as I said later on, it won't go into that very easily, if at all on one end.Because I have some compunctions about making fun of the mentally handicapped, I'll decide to forgo my impersonation of Commissar Elliott, and instead, praise him for the nice strawmen he has crafted. Good job, champ.
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
As I previously stated, I still have some unfinished business, so I will continue and give everyone a response to their comments later.Oh, this is gonna be good..
Yup, sure is...
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
The problem with America lays in two places, the government and the people, and while this may seem redundant to what I just said not too long ago, let me explain. The biggest problem is, not in class struggle, but with the many different opinions of Americans or in other words,politics."The problem is that people have different opinions! If only we lived in a country where there was only one opinion, an opinion over all others..."
Where the hell did you read this Mr. Movie Projector?
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliot
As everyone knows,I smell a logical fallacy.
I smell a damn nitpicking "liberal" diatribe of how intellectually superior this commie is as he nitpicks and talks down to others.
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
therelay two distinct groups of politics, the liberals and conservatives(independents don't count, they are grouped into either or).It is not that simple. You omit such groups such as: libertarians,anarchists, Objectivists, moderates, progressives (which are different than liberals), and "identity politics' (i.e.-black civil right advocates, feminists, etc.), among others.
Yeah, it's pretty damn simple:
left: progressive, liberals, communists, fascists, "identity politics" more succinctly: collectivists.
right: libertarian, republican, Objectivists, anarchists... individualists.
middle: "moderates" more succinctly: independents.
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
Weare all familiar with the policies each side wants to enact, all in what each side believes is the best way to govern a nation, so I won't bore you with the details. The biggest problem is unlike anything history has ever shown, where the problem lay with too few having too much, and the too many with too few revolting for the many, in this American phenomenon, it's too many having too much, or in other words,the political beliefs of the majority are not growing, they are instead shrinking.The last part of your sentence is a non sequitur. Because there was a class struggle (which is what you are saying is the reoccuring theme in history) does not mean that the"majority" (does that mean the rich, the middle class, the poor?) has a shrinking pool of political beliefs.
Also, it's great that you admit that Marx's view of history was correct.
Where did who say what Mr. Non Sequitur!?! Where did who admit whatMr. Non Sequitur!?! Are you reading what he said? Or reading what youwant to read?
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
Today, for now, we usually have a balance of power shift due to people dying and coming of age."Today, for now," is perhaps the worst example of illiteracy I've seen today. Also, from what it looks like, you aren't really well-versed in generational politics, so it'd probably be best if...
Now yer just getting plain dumb, you's must be a real smart feller from the Uni-versity. Can you argue the argument, or must everything be some sort of tit for tat dissection of the others skills or knowledge?
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
Older liberals die off to make way for "young" (roughly 30+) conservatives, creating a conservative "majority", and eventually the reverse happens. However,look at any good and large poll, and you will see what I meant by the political beliefs shrinking. Roughly, we stand at about a 50-50 stance on the liberal/conservative side of America. Eventually however, that"roughly" will become a non-existent introductory clause. Eventually,maybe not in my lifetime I hope, but even by next generation's time,the nation will become too divided amongst itself to supportitself.So, your reasoning is this: 1) America's citizens pretty much all have access to a surplus of goods &services. 2) This somehow means that their political opinions get much more narrow and rigid. 3) Generational change somehow figures into this. 4)In two generation's time, this somehow will have turned the United States into a futuristic copy of itself in 1860. How am I doingso far?
No, your projecting crap that wasn't written, it says what it says which is surely what he intended, unless he cares to clarify. It is however NOT whatever you want to read into it!
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
When this happens, conflict will become inevitable, but unlike formal warfare in the past (WWII esque), it will be like the more recent warfare (think guerrilla warfare), where the two sides will fight in the second American Civil War. This will ultimatly lead to one of two possible outcomes: A superstate "1984"-esque unending war, or either side eventually surrendering/collapsing/dissolving.Those are not the only outcomes. They could form a coalition government after a peace agreement, for example. Just because you desperately want your vision of an 1984-style US to come true doesn't mean it will come to pass
Mr. Non Sequitur Projectionist, no body said they WANTED crap to come true, he did say however, what he thought might happen. How's that Alinsky Rule #12 workin' out for ya? Do they just ingrain that intothe Uni texts these days or what?
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
Thereis just one detail I want to highlight in the "1984" portion, how the nations will divide themselves remains to be determined,Civil wars are not fought between other nations, but with different factions inside one nation.
Very perceptive Comrade Commie. Nit pick much?
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
ifI were to take a guess, the East and West will become the liberal side,and the center will become the conservative side.By"center" you mean the Midwest? If current trends continue, I'd say the conservative side would consist of: the former Confederacy (plus Kentucky & maybe Indiana, but possibly minus Virginia), Oklahoma,Kansas, Nebraska, Idaho, Utah, & maybe Montana. Also, if Alaska has any say in it, they'll go to the conservatives, unless Todd Palin's Alaska Independence Party comes to power.
Well I'll be switched! The liberal commie threw together a decent line without nitpicking and ad homonen-ing. Kudos.
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
On the second part though, one side eventually falling, the outcome will eventually repeat itself from the beginning, creating a gigantic sense of irony. If the conservatives win, chances are, they will reinstate some sort of democracy, starting at the "liberty" portion of the list previously described, eventually leading back to the third American Civil War. If the liberals win, a communistic like state will be imposed, creating a Soviet-esque superstate, where as described again,few have all, all have few. Starting the process all over again at"bondage", ending at the third American Civil War.Apparently,all conservatives are champions of liberty & justice, while the liberals are communists in disguise (OMG, like Transformers!!11!). Your unbiased, totally realistic appraisal of modern political ideologies projected 50-75 years into the future after a war of undetermined length & ferocity is surely the greatest example of reasoning outside of FOX News.
Heh! Apparently to generalize is to be an idiot. Apparently, somethings are apparent to some and mysteries of mysteries to others.
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
As you can see, this is an ugly cycle which keep repeating itself. I just want to note though, this is not only my opinion, but probably a worst case scenario, so don't take it as absolute.Oh, good. For a second there, I was going to take it "as absolute", but then you said that. I'm so relieved.
Why not, you've been taking everything else literally, he may as well clarify for you since abstraction seems beyond your immediate grasp. And yes I'm attacking you, son, shoot and you will be shot at!
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
On the last note, this brings me back to the Communist ManifestoAKA Commissar Elliott's Bible.
Land much? Where was this devotion mentioned?
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
and all I said. If my cycle were correct and inevitable, we are basically heading for a communist state, but as I said later on, it won't go into that very easily, if at all on one end.Because I have some compunctions about making fun of the mentally handicapped, I'll decide to forgo my impersonation of Commissar Elliott, and instead,praise him for the nice strawmen he has crafted. Good job,champ.
Because smelling a Uni edumacated idiot is like sniffing Acorn headquarters which resides in a port-a-potty, I think you spoke for yourself here kid... and I don't see a need to rub your nose in it anymore that you've already rubbed others noses in it.
So Mr. Non Sequitur Ad Homonen Projectionist, Have a Nice Day!
Damn Commies! Why I come here to Commie Central God only knows.
Lone Stage Grip
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
As I previously stated, I still have some unfinished business, so I will continue and give everyone a response to their comments later.Oh, this is gonna be good..
Yup, sure is...
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
The problem with America lays in two places, the government and the people, and while this may seem redundant to what I just said not too long ago, let me explain. The biggest problem is, not in class struggle, but with the many different opinions of Americans or in other words,politics."The problem is that people have different opinions! If only we lived in a country where there was only one opinion, an opinion over all others..."
Where the hell did you read this Mr. Movie Projector?
My friends call me Comrade Gipper. You can call me Mr. Gipper. Or sir. Either one will work.
Lone Stage Grip
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliot
As everyone knows,I smell a logical fallacy.
I smell a damn nitpicking "liberal" diatribe of how intellectually superior this commie is as he nitpicks and talks down to others.
Which is then neatly foiled by Lone Stage Grip's totally non nit-picking, condescending or name-calling diatribe.
Lone Stage Grip
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
therelay two distinct groups of politics, the liberals and conservatives(independents don't count, they are grouped into either or).It is not that simple. You omit such groups such as: libertarians,anarchists, Objectivists, moderates, progressives (which are different than liberals), and "identity politics' (i.e.-black civil right advocates, feminists, etc.), among others.
Yeah, it's pretty damn simple:
left: progressive, liberals, communists, fascists, "identity politics" more succinctly: collectivists.
right: libertarian, republican, Objectivists, anarchists... individualists.
middle: "moderates" more succinctly: independents.
No. It's not. You are wrong and your categorizations are wrong as well. Since you won't accept the fact that fascists & liberals are not ideological BFFs, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you of what every moderately intelligent person knows.
Lone Stage Grip
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
Weare all familiar with the policies each side wants to enact, all in what each side believes is the best way to govern a nation, so I won't bore you with the details. The biggest problem is unlike anything history has ever shown, where the problem lay with too few having too much, and the too many with too few revolting for the many, in this American phenomenon, it's too many having too much, or in other words,the political beliefs of the majority are not growing, they are instead shrinking.The last part of your sentence is a non sequitur. Because there was a class struggle (which is what you are saying is the reoccuring theme in history) does not mean that the"majority" (does that mean the rich, the middle class, the poor?) has a shrinking pool of political beliefs.
Also, it's great that you admit that Marx's view of history was correct.
Where did who say what Mr. Non Sequitur!?! Where did who admit whatMr. Non Sequitur!?! Are you reading what he said? Or reading what youwant to read?
Lone Stage Grip, since you are obviously a "special" case, I'm going to be nice & explain what a non-sequitur is & why I tacked the last sentence on.
You see, a non-sequitur is a phrase used to mean "it doesn't follow." It's a logical fallacy. For example: Lone Stage Grip believes that all minorities are Democrats. He also believes that all minorities are lazy. He then states, based on those two beliefs, that all Democrats are lazy.
While Lone Stage Grip, in his manchild-like debating style, will argue, that yes, all Democrats are lazy, his argument is invalid because his conclusion does not logically follow his arguments.
Now, champ, the last sentence in the above semi-comment thingie mabob, the Marx/history line. Comrade Elliott says (somewhat indirectly, now, so keep with me) that the main conflict in history is that of the "too few having too much" & the "too many having too few." This is Marx's view of history, AKA class conflict. This is pretty basic stuff. A political genius such as yourself should've seen this earlier.
Lone Stage Grip
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
Today, for now, we usually have a balance of power shift due to people dying and coming of age."Today, for now," is perhaps the worst example of illiteracy I've seen today. Also, from what it looks like, you aren't really well-versed in generational politics, so it'd probably be best if...
Now yer just getting plain dumb, you's must be a real smart feller from the Uni-versity. Can you argue the argument, or must everything be some sort of tit for tat dissection of the others skills or knowledge?
OK, since you really wanted me to, I'll "argue the argument", as you so eloquently put it.
Lone Stage Grip
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
Older liberals die off to make way for "young" (roughly 30+) conservatives, creating a conservative "majority", and eventually the reverse happens. However,look at any good and large poll, and you will see what I meant by the political beliefs shrinking. Roughly, we stand at about a 50-50 stance on the liberal/conservative side of America. Eventually however, that"roughly" will become a non-existent introductory clause. Eventually,maybe not in my lifetime I hope, but even by next generation's time,the nation will become too divided amongst itself to supportitself.So, your reasoning is this: 1) America's citizens pretty much all have access to a surplus of goods &services. 2) This somehow means that their political opinions get much more narrow and rigid. 3) Generational change somehow figures into this. 4)In two generation's time, this somehow will have turned the United States into a futuristic copy of itself in 1860. How am I doingso far?
No, your projecting crap that wasn't written, it says what it says which is surely what he intended, unless he cares to clarify. It is however NOT whatever you want to read into it!
Lone Stage Grip, please at least try to form an argument other than: "Nuh uh. You're wrong because he didn't say those exact words." And it's not projecting, it's called summarizing & trying to see what Comrade Elliott's reasoning was.
Lone Stage Grip
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
When this happens, conflict will become inevitable, but unlike formal warfare in the past (WWII esque), it will be like the more recent warfare (think guerrilla warfare), where the two sides will fight in the second American Civil War. This will ultimatly lead to one of two possible outcomes: A superstate "1984"-esque unending war, or either side eventually surrendering/collapsing/dissolving.Those are not the only outcomes. They could form a coalition government after a peace agreement, for example. Just because you desperately want your vision of an 1984-style US to come true doesn't mean it will come to pass
Mr. Non Sequitur Projectionist, no body said they WANTED crap to come true, he did say however, what he thought might happen. How's that Alinsky Rule #12 workin' out for ya? Do they just ingrain that intothe Uni texts these days or what?
Lone Stage Grip, if you're going to try to come up with clever nicknames, at least try to think of something half-way decent. It's kind of embarrassing to read your "witty" retorts with your bad name-calling skills starting them off.
Also, while Comrade Elliott never publically would say he supports the establishment of a totalitarian police state in America, having one constructed and adhere to a leftist ideology would be a big victory for right-wingers who believe that leftist ideologies (or "collectivist" ideologies, although not the same ones as you list above) are really anti-freedom, anti-America, etc., etc.
Also, I never knew what Alinsky's Rule #12 was before your post. Of course, since you obviously have such high-caliber intelligence, you must have went to a University, and so you must know that the whole notion of "liberal indoctrination" in colleges is complete and utter bullshit. If it were, wouldn't a vast majority of college graduates & people with some college education be solid Democratic voters? Wouldn't that pretty much mean that anyone who went to college for a certain period of time have solid leftist views?
Lone Stage Grip
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
Thereis just one detail I want to highlight in the "1984" portion, how the nations will divide themselves remains to be determined,Civil wars are not fought between other nations, but with different factions inside one nation.
Very perceptive Comrade Commie. Nit pick much?
Thank you, Lone Stage Dick (see what I did there?). It would be a much better criticism if you didn't, oh, say, spend your entire post nit-picking my post.
Lone Stage Grip
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
ifI were to take a guess, the East and West will become the liberal side,and the center will become the conservative side.By"center" you mean the Midwest? If current trends continue, I'd say the conservative side would consist of: the former Confederacy (plus Kentucky & maybe Indiana, but possibly minus Virginia), Oklahoma,Kansas, Nebraska, Idaho, Utah, & maybe Montana. Also, if Alaska has any say in it, they'll go to the conservatives, unless Todd Palin's Alaska Independence Party comes to power.
Well I'll be switched! The liberal commie threw together a decent line without nitpicking and ad homonen-ing. Kudos.
I'd correct your spelling & I'd tell you what 'ad hominem' actually means, but the backhand complement of conservative fascist Lone Stage Grip has left me stunned.
Lone Stage Grip
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
On the second part though, one side eventually falling, the outcome will eventually repeat itself from the beginning, creating a gigantic sense of irony. If the conservatives win, chances are, they will reinstate some sort of democracy, starting at the "liberty" portion of the list previously described, eventually leading back to the third American Civil War. If the liberals win, a communistic like state will be imposed, creating a Soviet-esque superstate, where as described again,few have all, all have few. Starting the process all over again at"bondage", ending at the third American Civil War.Apparently,all conservatives are champions of liberty & justice, while the liberals are communists in disguise (OMG, like Transformers!!11!). Your unbiased, totally realistic appraisal of modern political ideologies projected 50-75 years into the future after a war of undetermined length & ferocity is surely the greatest example of reasoning outside of FOX News.
Heh! Apparently to generalize is to be an idiot. Apparently, somethings are apparent to some and mysteries of mysteries to others.
I don't think constructing strawmen arguments is in any way "generalizing".
Also, you have no idea how much that last line is true.
Lone Stage Grip
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
As you can see, this is an ugly cycle which keep repeating itself. I just want to note though, this is not only my opinion, but probably a worst case scenario, so don't take it as absolute.Oh, good. For a second there, I was going to take it "as absolute", but then you said that. I'm so relieved.
Why not, you've been taking everything else literally, he may as well clarify for you since abstraction seems beyond your immediate grasp. And yes I'm attacking you, son, shoot and you will be shot at!
Lone Stage Grip, you realize that I was being sarcastic, right? I mean, for God's sake, what in the hell makes you think I was being serious?
Also, being "attacked" by you is as threatening to me as being challenged to a debate by an especially cranky four year-old.
Lone Stage Grip
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
On the last note, this brings me back to the Communist ManifestoAKA Commissar Elliott's Bible.
Land much? Where was this devotion mentioned?
OK, this is one of the few times where I was just genuinely being an asshole for being an asshole's sake. You should've picked up on that.
Lone Stage Grip
Comrade Gipper
Commissar_Elliott
and all I said. If my cycle were correct and inevitable, we are basically heading for a communist state, but as I said later on, it won't go into that very easily, if at all on one end.Because I have some compunctions about making fun of the mentally handicapped, I'll decide to forgo my impersonation of Commissar Elliott, and instead,praise him for the nice strawmen he has crafted. Good job,champ.
Because smelling a Uni edumacated idiot is like sniffing Acorn headquarters which resides in a port-a-potty, I think you spoke for yourself here kid... and I don't see a need to rub your nose in it anymore that you've already rubbed others noses in it.
So Mr. Non Sequitur Ad Homonen Projectionist, Have a Nice Day!
Damn Commies! Why I come here to Commie Central God only knows.
I don't even think I need a rebuttal here. Your "rebuttal" is basically just a giant "ad hominem" (which again you misspelled) filled with strawmen arguments.
For the record, you do realize that you're posting on a site called "The People's Cube", right? You know, with that Karl Marx guy everywhere? Just a little heads up. I know you need all the help you can get.
BSU Comrade? Moombat Mimesota. Home of The Mime(TM).
Is this your Senator Comrade Gipper? Is that Bull Shit University?
Is this your Senator Comrade Gipper? Is that Bull Shit University?
Red Rooster
BSU Comrade? Moombat Mimesota. Home of The Mime(TM).Is this your Senator Comrade Gipper? Is that Bull Shit University?
OMG, someone knows how to look at IP Addresses!!111!
And, yes. Although anyone who isn't politically retarded knows that Minnesota has 2 senators & yes, Al Franken is one of my senators.
Also, BSU is not Bull Shit University. If it were, you'd be the Dean.
Comrade, Your information is in The Party database, no archaic methods are needed, The Party knows all.
We have been doing this for years comrade:
We have been doing this for years comrade:
Frau Professor Gipper gesagt
Correct! It's Bat Shit Univeristy, and Gipper is earning extra credit.
Gipper is a liar
No, not all colleges are like Bat Shit University, plus after a dose of the real world after graduation, those who are lucky enough to understand critical thinking (which is seldom taught these days) based on experience (like the military) don't become deconstructionists bent on a collectivist world view.
Some actually go on to lead productive lives, serving their fellow man, instead of just waiting for tenure and then obtaining it.
It's like the old saying "Those that can't do, teach".
With that being said, now tell me something I don't know Gipper.
Please?
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Also, BSU is not Bull Shit University. If it were, you'd be the Dean.Correct! It's Bat Shit Univeristy, and Gipper is earning extra credit.
Gipper is a liar
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Also, I never knew what Alinsky's Rule #12 was before your post. Of course, since you obviously have such high-caliber intelligence, you must have went to a University, and so you must know that the whole notion of "liberal indoctrination" in colleges is complete and utter bullshit. If it were, wouldn't a vast majority of college graduates & people with some college education be solid Democratic voters? Wouldn't that pretty much mean that anyone who went to college for a certain period of time have solid leftist views?No, not all colleges are like Bat Shit University, plus after a dose of the real world after graduation, those who are lucky enough to understand critical thinking (which is seldom taught these days) based on experience (like the military) don't become deconstructionists bent on a collectivist world view.
Some actually go on to lead productive lives, serving their fellow man, instead of just waiting for tenure and then obtaining it.
It's like the old saying "Those that can't do, teach".
With that being said, now tell me something I don't know Gipper.
Please?
Laika the Space Dog
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Also, BSU is not Bull Shit University. If it were, you'd be the Dean.Correct! It's Bat Shit Univeristy, and Gipper is earning extra credit
Gipper is a liar
Laika, since, you are, after all, a Bitch In Space, I'd like to send you to a space where you'd be more comfortable. It's called meatspace, AKA the real world. Go out there sometime, and try to make friends. You know, "friends"? Like the people who can stand to be around your unfunny, probably insane ass.
Laika the Space Dog
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Also, I never knew what Alinsky's Rule #12 was before your post. Of course, since you obviously have such high-caliber intelligence, you must have went to a University, and so you must know that the whole notion of "liberal indoctrination" in colleges is complete and utter bullshit. If it were, wouldn't a vast majority of college graduates & people with some college education be solid Democratic voters? Wouldn't that pretty much mean that anyone who went to college for a certain period of time have solid leftist views?No, not all colleges are like Bat Shit University,
Please stop with the BSU anagrams. We get it. You're
Laika the Space Dog
plus after a dose of the real world after graduation,Oh good, I like this. You assume since I'm a college student, that I don't have a grasp of the "real world"? Nice try there, SpaceBitch, but I know what the "real world" is like. I also know that people who
Laika the Space Dog
those who are lucky enough to understand critical thinking (which is seldom taught these days)For once, we are in agreement.
Laika the Space Dog
based on experience (like the military)Laika, have you ever served in the military? Just wondering. I mean, if you're going to invoke the military (putting the subtle hint that you know firsthand about it), you should be honest if you are a veteran or are still serving in the armed forces.
Laika the Space Dog
don't become deconstructionists bent on a collectivist world view.It would be nice if any of that was actually true or a coherent argument in any way. Are you just stringing words together, now?
Laika the Space Dog
Some actually go on to lead productive lives, serving their fellow man, instead of just waiting for tenure and then obtaining it.It's like the old saying "Those that can't do, teach".
Wow. I guess we're in agreement again. Yeah, undoubtedly there are those professors here & everywhere else, but not all of them.
Laika the Space Dog
With that being said, now tell me something I don't know Gipper.Please?
No. No I will not. Nice try, though.
All Hail My Fine New Comrade!
Of course Comrade Gipper is Correct™ Noble Space Dog! This indoctrination never happens...
...no it does not, and Maxine Waters never said the word Socialism, nor talked about the government taking over the means of production, which is in a word Fascism, and Van Fleet, our fellow traveler, never talked about The One Coming Out... these things are illusions... they never happened, very good Comrade Gipper, The Party awards your whispers with this honorary metal from an astute student of Alinsky:
Forget Cloward-Priven Strategy Comrade Gipper, it is an an illusion you've never heard of. As Yuri Bezmenov demonstrates, our plans are complete with you.
Go forth into the world young Party Prole, and spread The Common Good™.
Of course Comrade Gipper is Correct™ Noble Space Dog! This indoctrination never happens...
...no it does not, and Maxine Waters never said the word Socialism, nor talked about the government taking over the means of production, which is in a word Fascism, and Van Fleet, our fellow traveler, never talked about The One Coming Out... these things are illusions... they never happened, very good Comrade Gipper, The Party awards your whispers with this honorary metal from an astute student of Alinsky:
Forget Cloward-Priven Strategy Comrade Gipper, it is an an illusion you've never heard of. As Yuri Bezmenov demonstrates, our plans are complete with you.
Go forth into the world young Party Prole, and spread The Common Good™.
To the two trolls (that's an alliteration in case you didn't know.)
Since there is a lot of information to get to, and I don't have the time to anylize them all, I'll just give you a summarization.
The chart is but a summary, it's not an eloquent elaboration. Yes, people are on socialist security, yes, people are on other forms of government entitlement programs, and no, when I say a socialist society, as I said previously, it's when you bail out businesses, which is was Obama did with the auto industry.
What the chart is talking about is when you reach the point when people DON'T pay into a system, the government literally hands out money to you, for no apparent reason other then for votes.
Since there is a lot of information to get to, and I don't have the time to anylize them all, I'll just give you a summarization.
The chart is but a summary, it's not an eloquent elaboration. Yes, people are on socialist security, yes, people are on other forms of government entitlement programs, and no, when I say a socialist society, as I said previously, it's when you bail out businesses, which is was Obama did with the auto industry.
What the chart is talking about is when you reach the point when people DON'T pay into a system, the government literally hands out money to you, for no apparent reason other then for votes.
Beaver Bait snarled
Stop it! I'll blush!
Of course being "unfunny" is a matter of opinion, and yes I'm insane. I'm trying to argue with you. Proof positive.
I assume nothing, I'm just "profiling"....bwhahahaha. Student? Hell no! Grad student teaching undergrads! And from now on it's "Lord Laika" to you, you little snob.
Why should I be honest with a person like you?
But just for fun, the answer is yes and no.
Thanks for nothing because, like the saying goes.....
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Laika, since, you are, after all, a Bitch In Space, I'd like to send you to a space where you'd be more comfortable. It's called meatspace, AKA the real world. Go out there sometime, and try to make friends. You know, "friends"? Like the people who can stand to be around your unfunny, probably insane ass.Stop it! I'll blush!
Of course being "unfunny" is a matter of opinion, and yes I'm insane. I'm trying to argue with you. Proof positive.
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Oh good, I like this. You assume since I'm a college student, that I don't have a grasp of the "real world"? Nice try there, SpaceBitch, but I know what the "real world" is like. I also know that people who talk lecture others about the "real world" are also arrogant assholes who try to lord their "experience" over others.I assume nothing, I'm just "profiling"....bwhahahaha. Student? Hell no! Grad student teaching undergrads! And from now on it's "Lord Laika" to you, you little snob.
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Laika, have you ever served in the military? Just wondering. I mean, if you're going to invoke the military (putting the subtle hint that you know firsthand about it), you should be honest if you are a veteran or are still serving in the armed forces.Why should I be honest with a person like you?
But just for fun, the answer is yes and no.
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No. No I will not. Nice try, though.Thanks for nothing because, like the saying goes.....
Comrades,
I delight that this Trotskyite in Rethuglikan clothing has come to grace us with his spawn of Jiffi-Lobo intellect. Long live The Iron Fist of The Party™!
Of course The Ominous Parallels escape this young prole, but perhaps it's better that way, we wouldn't want him thinking or anything.
I delight that this Trotskyite in Rethuglikan clothing has come to grace us with his spawn of Jiffi-Lobo intellect. Long live The Iron Fist of The Party™!
Of course The Ominous Parallels escape this young prole, but perhaps it's better that way, we wouldn't want him thinking or anything.
I just love it RR!
"Experience" in the Hegelian dialect now means nothing but oppression!
Gipper!
Shall I "Lord" some more?
Wait...I'm having a Viet Nam flashback....and the mortars are crashing...and somebody is crying for their mother....and Jimi is on AFR.... and I shouldn't have dropped that blotter.....
Nah, I just made that up like Oliver Stoned.
"Experience" in the Hegelian dialect now means nothing but oppression!
Gipper!
Shall I "Lord" some more?
Wait...I'm having a Viet Nam flashback....and the mortars are crashing...and somebody is crying for their mother....and Jimi is on AFR.... and I shouldn't have dropped that blotter.....
Nah, I just made that up like Oliver Stoned.
Oh, goody, more love letters from my concerned comrades!
I'll get to all of you now, don't be greedy little comrades. First things, first, Karl the Krony Kapitalist.
I'm not going to quote your video, just because I'm lazy (like all communists, lol!11!1!). However, while I agree that that was pretty over-the-top & inappropriate of those advisors/whatever at Delaware to do, I don't think you realize that this is indoctrination on the scale that Laika the Space Dog said/implied it did. This is one occurance, once, which would undoubtedly happen just because of the sheer amount of colleges & college students in the United States. If I wanted to, I'd argue more, but those are your argument rations. Learn to live with them.
Also, the government controlling the means of production is not fascism, but socialism. A good Kapitalist such as yourself should really know thy enemy better.
Commissar Elliott, you're up! And you even get to be quoted. Aren't you a special little sheep!
Commissar Elliott
The chart is but a summary, it's not an eloquent elaboration. Yes, people are on socialist security,Oh good, slandering the only lifeline for many poor, disabled and elderly. Good way to build sympathy for your argument.
Commissar Elliott
yes, people are on other forms of government entitlement programs, andno, when I say a socialist society, as I said previously, it's when youbail out businesses, which is was Obama did with the auto industry.Or what George W. Bush did with the banking industry. Continue.
Commissar Elliott
What the chart is talking about is when you reach the point when peopleDON'T pay into a system, the government literally hands out money toyou, for no apparent reason other then for votes.Then why did you bring it up, at all if your chart is not applicable to any situation outside of banana republics. I may not be a master of international politics, but what you say your chart describes is useless for countries that are either: full-fledged liberal democracies (i.e. the US, western Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, etc.), or are undemocratic (China, Vietnam, Cuba, most of Africa, etc.).
Well, now that that's over, let's see-oh,
Laika the Space Dog
Beaver Bait snarledNice nickname choice there, Cosmonaut Cur, but if I were you, I'd try to keep it contained to something relevant, like my username. Just a hint.
Laika the Space Dog
Comrade Gipper
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Laika, since, you are, after all, a Bitch In Space, I'd liketo send you to a space where you'd be more comfortable. It's calledmeatspace, AKA the real world. Go out there sometime, and try to makefriends. You know, "friends"? Like the people who can stand to bearound your unfunny, probably insane ass.Stop it! I'll blush!
Of course being "unfunny" is a matter of opinion, and yes I'm insane. I'm trying to argue with you. Proof positive.
No, being unfunny is not a matter of opinion. The Holocaust was not funny. Child molestation is not funny. Sinbad is not funny. Etc.
Laika the Space Dog
Comrade Gipper
Oh good, I like this. You assume since I'm a collegestudent, that I don't have a grasp of the "real world"? Nice try there,SpaceBitch, but I know what the "real world" is like. I also know thatpeople who talk lecture others about the "real world" are also arrogantassholes who try to lord their "experience" over others.
I assume nothing, I'm just "profiling"....bwhahahaha. Student? Hell no! Grad student teaching undergrads! And from now on it's "Lord Laika" to you, you little snob.
Your profiling skills, much like your arguing and reasoning skills, are terrible. I'm not a grad student. And while I may appear a snob to you, asking someone to call you Lord Laika when all you've done is attack them & generally behave like an elitist asshole. Yes, that's right. I called you an elitist. Deal with it.
Laika the Space Dog
Comrade Gipper
Laika, have you ever served in the military? Justwondering. I mean, if you're going to invoke the military (putting thesubtle hint that you know firsthand about it), you should be honest ifyou are a veteran or are still serving in the armed forces.
Why should I be honest with a person like you?
But just for fun, the answer is yes and no.
Because I asked a question, and worded it politely without insulting/swearing at you. It's called courtesy, try it sometime.
Since your witty reply "...the answer is yes and no" is so clever, I am taking it to mean that you are an armchair general who probably watched CNN religiously during the invasion of Iraq but would soil yourself if a gun went off near you.
Laika the Space Dog
Comrade Gipper
No. No I will not. Nice try, though.
Thanks for nothing because, like the saying goes.....
Well, at least you say "thanks". Maybe a
Now, finally Red Rooster aka the Khrushchev Kock
Red Rooster
Comrades,I delight that this Trotskyite in Rethuglikan clothing has come to grace us with his spawn of Jiffi-Lobo intellect. Long live The Iron Fist of The Party™!
Of course The Ominous Parallels escape this young prole, but perhaps it's better that way, we wouldn't want him thinking or anything.
Nice vids & link. I didn't watch either of those videos, because:
- I know about Lukashenko already
- A teabagger whining about finally pissing off law enforcement after destroying civil discourse all summer is not interesting in the least
For example, the Weimar Republic had been marked by instability ever since its conception at the end of WWI, and this was exacerbated by the Great Depression & in the early 1920s, the German war debt. The German people had lost a lot of national pride & the sudden collapse of the German military at the tail end of the war lead to the popularity of the "stab-in-the-back" myth. Also, the political situation was so fragile & the elites so discredited that many conservative politicians threw their support to Hitler simply because they believed it was either Nazis or Communists who would seize power in Germany.
Meanwhile, the United States, while suffering under 8 years of one of the worst presidencies in history, as well as being in the middle of 2 military occupations, having been the victim of the worst terrorist attack ever 7 before & had the devastation of one of its cities ignored/shrugged off by the executive, was (and is) undergoing the largest financial crisis since the Great Depression. But, the United States has one of the strongest democratic traditions in history, and a dictatorship arising in the United States immediately after the financial system's collapse was (and is) unthinkable, and, indeed, laughable. And while America's image worldwide has suffered due to the invasion of Iraq, the War on Terror & torturing detainees, American national pride is not nearly as low as it was during the 1970s, after Watergate, Vietnam & the Iranian hostage crisis.
Finally, the inevitable Obama-Hitler comparison. While both men were (and are) talented orators & are very charismatic, from there the similarities are just beginning. Hitler was a failed painter-turned politician after his service in World War I, and routinely used an odd combination of thuggery & care for legalities to seize power after the Beer Hall Putsch. Obama graduated from one of the most elitist effete schools in the country, had his grades sealed, was a failed ACORN mob organizer, destroyed his political opponents with slander & legal technicalities & loafed in the Illinois legislature voting "present" on damn near every vote before duping the brain washed electorate to the US Senate and then the Presidency. Hitler was an authoritarian megalomaniac with a lust for war and devastation of his enemies. Obama is just a narcissist and opposed the Iraq War invasion because it was cowardly & politically expedient and has shown no signs of being vindictive except with his former rival (see Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Keep your enemies closer...Sun Tzu). Hitler was a anti-smoking, vegetarian who was himself very sick and addicted to drugs prescribed by his doctor (including methamphetamine). Obama was a pot head who drank whisky underage with the avoved communist Frank Marshall Davis (Obama's own words) and sneaks about two packs of Kools a day and is very healthy for somebody who should know better about the cancerous evils of Big Tobacco (also he's not a vegetarian, somebody call PETA!). Hitler's place on the political spectrum is clearly that of the far left, and his "allies" during his coming to power were national socialist fellow travellers who competed against the communists for the same political turf. Obama is an Alinsky radical socialist plant (like Bill Ayers, Van Jones, and Hillary Clinton, who, by the way, did her college thesis on Alinsky), who has shown he is willing to co-opt RINO conservatives like Specter even after months of patriotic whistle-blower politics exposing his lust for power and creating Czars, yet they show no signs of caving to him because it is in the nation's best interests.
OK, you got me snob. You're not a grad student or a student or a professor or a Herr Doktor. I'm the elitist and you're the janitor of Beaverdom.
If you are the janitor, you have my respect. You actually work for a living.
Holocaust? Not funny? Ask Jerry Seinfeld, Progressive Comic. Example: Schindler's List Episode.
Child Molestation? Certainly you know of the Comic Duane Tinsley? Of the Progressive art magazine Hustler? "Chester" ring a bell?...oops, I forgot, you're a chick.
Sinbad? Islam to that one. You win, I submit on that opinion.
If you are the janitor, you have my respect. You actually work for a living.
Holocaust? Not funny? Ask Jerry Seinfeld, Progressive Comic. Example: Schindler's List Episode.
Child Molestation? Certainly you know of the Comic Duane Tinsley? Of the Progressive art magazine Hustler? "Chester" ring a bell?...oops, I forgot, you're a chick.
Sinbad? Islam to that one. You win, I submit on that opinion.
Laika,
While it's nice to hear the words "you win" from you, I'm afraid I don't know why I'm the "janitor of Beaverdom" or what "Beaverdom" is, although I assume it's naughty.
So, wait. You're saying that "progressives" get a big chuckle of the Holocaust & child molestation and porn? And that concentration camp kiddie porn is like the Holy Grail for Michael Moore fans? Okay...
Also, I'm not a chick. And do you think that I honestly have never seen "Hustler"? I mean, come on.
Ohh...and one more thing. Your Nazi analogy is really way off.
While you're at it, bone up on Mussolini.
While you're at it, bone up on Mussolini.
Which Nazi analogy?
Hehehe, "bone up on Mussolini".
Don't worry about which one.
It's been corrected from The Current Truth™ to an absolute truth since they don't teach history at Bat Shit U.
It's been corrected from The Current Truth™ to an absolute truth since they don't teach history at Bat Shit U.
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So, wait. You're saying that "progressives" get a big chuckle of the Holocaust & child molestation and porn? And that concentration camp kiddie porn is like the Holy Grail for Michael Moore fans? Okay...More deconstruction and denial of fact.
If you're a Michael Moore fan, you're easily duped.
Please paddle to Cuba in a rubber raft. Just hop on the Mississippi and head south.
It's either a rubber raft or a rubber room. The Murderer Castro had to go to Spain for healthcare....oh wait...I forgot that Cuba has been suffering from our embargo.
It's funny the rest of the world won't give them "free" medical supplies.
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Also, I'm not a chick. And do you think that I honestly have never seen "Hustler"? I mean, come on.I guess you did and the pages stuck together. Don't you think the Progressive Hero Publisher Larry Flynt should subsidize your self serving pleasure for free? I mean, your entitled to a daily wank, right? I'd suggest a real woman for that nano jiffy plink but I don't think one would have the slightest interest. Your only hope is slipping a roofie mickey into some unsuspecting, hairy armpitted, patchouli drenched feprog's Miller Light.
Sorry about the "chick" part. Let's change that to "prick".
Laika the Space Dog
Don't worry about which one.Nice way to weasel out of having to own up to your accusation.
Laika the Space Dog
It's been corrected from The Current Truth™ to an absolute truth since they don't teach history at Bat Shit U.I don't know where you think I go to school, but it's not this "BSU" place. I don't even know what that is. And BTW, nice pics. You can totally tell that Obama is a fascist because he's there are pictures that make him look like Mussolini! Brilliant!
Laika the Space Dog
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So, wait. You're saying that "progressives" get a big chuckle of the Holocaust & child molestation and porn? And that concentration camp kiddie porn is like the Holy Grail for Michael Moore fans? Okay...More deconstruction and denial of fact.
Also, more nonsensical rambling dressed up as an argument.
Laika the Space Dog
If you're a Michael Moore fan, you're easily duped.I'm not a Michael Moore fan, I was just using that as an example. I support Moore's goals, but his methods & his "facts" are a little too sketchy to be a good documentarian.
Laika the Space Dog
Please paddle to Cuba in a rubber raft. Just hop on the Mississippi and head south.Oh boy, I'll be like Huckleberry Finn, LOL!11!!!1!
Seriously, Laika, is there any way you can go one paragraph without throwing around random smears?
Laika the Space Dog
It's either a rubber raft or a rubber room.I can see that it's clearly too much to ask of you.
Laika the Space Dog
The Murderer Castro had to go to Spain for healthcare....oh wait...I forgot that Cuba has been suffering from our embargo.It's funny the rest of the world won't give them "free" medical supplies.
Nice. I never even mentioned Cuba at all & you go on a paragraph-long rant about it. Signs of a skilled debater, indeed.
Laika the Space Dog
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Also, I'm not a chick. And do you think that I honestly have never seen "Hustler"? I mean, come on.I guess you did and the pages stuck together.
No comment. ;)
Laika the Space Dog
Don't you think the Progressive Hero Publisher Larry Flynt should subsidize your self serving pleasure for free?Nice strawman you're building.
Laika the Space Dog
I mean, your entitled to a daily wank, right?I think you understimate the average college male, Laika.
Laika the Space Dog
I'd suggest a real woman for that nano jiffy plinkSeriously?
Laika the Space Dog
but I don't think one would have the slightest interest.And they'd be interested in you? I'm going to go get some air *goes outside & launches 5-minute long hysterical laughing fit, composes himself & reenters*. Okay, I'm back.
Laika the Space Dog
Your only hope is slipping a roofie mickeyI'm willing to bet you could teach me from experience.
Laika the Space Dog
into some unsuspecting, hairy armpitted, patchouli drenched feprog's Miller Light.Is there any way for you to be even more of a dick? I mean, without approaching "douche" territory?
Laika the Space Dog
Sorry about the "chick" part. Let's change that to "prick".HOLY SHIT! Laika's gone rogue and ran headlong past the Douche Territory border & has in fact entered the Douche capital of Doucheopolis & has displaced Kanye West as Emperor of Douchedom! This coup will not go unanswered Space Cur!
To save us all some time, we've turned Comrade Spar...spar...
Sparkplugs posts into a food we can quickly consume.
Sparkplugs posts into a food we can quickly consume.
Touchy little proggie, isn't she?
And no, Spankapuss, it's not a "strawman" I'm buliding.
I'm building a "Wickerman" just for you.
Keep supplying the wicker, it's like capitalist rope.
I'll have to admit the Mime™ was a better troll.
Seek your Sensei, Spunkadrop. He lives on South 17th Street.
Go! Do not waste time, The Mime™ awaits he does. Hmmmm.
And no, Spankapuss, it's not a "strawman" I'm buliding.
I'm building a "Wickerman" just for you.
Keep supplying the wicker, it's like capitalist rope.
I'll have to admit the Mime™ was a better troll.
Seek your Sensei, Spunkadrop. He lives on South 17th Street.
Go! Do not waste time, The Mime™ awaits he does. Hmmmm.
Red Rooster
To save us all some time, we've turned Comrade Spar...spar...Sparkplugs
Nice to know that you took the time to type out your mental strain, Red Rooster.
Red Rooster
posts into a food we can quickly consume.If its the paint chips you've been so greedily chowing down on, I'll pass.
Red Rooster
Well, at least it'll help the "chilluns".
Laika the Space Dog
Touchy little proggie, isn't she?Whiny little bitch, aren't you?
Laika the Space Dog
And no, SpankapussFor the love of God, Laika will you grow up?
Laika the Space Dog
it's not a "strawman" I'm buliding.I'm pretty sure you were "buliding" a strawman, there, honey.
Laika the Space Dog
I'm building a "Wickerman" just for you.I'm touched.
Laika the Space Dog
Keep supplying the wicker, it's like capitalist rope.I'll have to admit the Mime™ was a better troll.
I don't care.
Laika the Space Dog
Seek your Sensei, Spunkadrop.My God, will you actually think of an insult that makes sense?
Laika the Space Dog
He lives on South 17th Street.Go! Do not waste time, The Mime™ awaits he does. Hmmmm.
I really don't care about "The Mime". What I do care about is the fact that you probably consider yourself clever. That is both hilarious in and of itself & tragic.
How's that narcissism working out for you there Sparkplug, looks like a-o.k.
Comrade Brown agrees!
Comrade Brown agrees!
Red Rooster
How's that narcissism working out for you there Red Rooster,Fixed
Red Rooster
looks like a-o.k.Thank God you're a doctor.
Red Rooster
Comrade Brown agrees!So, because Gordon Brown said "we saved the world", that's supposed to derail my arguments? Please.
Did you make an argument? If you did, we all must have missed it.
There is a difference between child-like and childish, now isn't there Comrade K-12? Has Lord Obama given you your Obamacare yet, that which so adeptly whine for?
You work your ass off, YOU WORK YOUR ASS OFF!?! YOUR from Middle CLASS??? MIDDLE CLASS! YOUR PARENTS CAN't AFFORD iT!?! YOUR PARENTS!?!
Look, you little punkass sniveling freak from nowhereville, has a little bytch like you ever been anywhere!?! Nah, but you swag around here like you done something, YOU AIN'T DONE SHIT!!!! I'll take your little white ass to my stomping grounds and watch you writhe like the little white bitch you are! Don't you bring your little attitude up in here and then expect some kind easy greeting, nah you're just another middle class socialist minesota moonbat Bemidji State University Financial Aid whore who wouldn't know work if it bit you in your ass!
So go whine bout your Obamacare somewhere else mufka! NO ONE GIVES A SHIT! NO ONE OWES YOU SHIT! EARN YOUR WAY LITTLE BITCH, THEN COME TALK TO THIS MUFKN ROOSTER!!!
Comrade Spartakus
It's amazing that you're considered a responsible adult, what with all the child-like bullshit that I've seen you do.There is a difference between child-like and childish, now isn't there Comrade K-12? Has Lord Obama given you your Obamacare yet, that which so adeptly whine for?
You work your ass off, YOU WORK YOUR ASS OFF!?! YOUR from Middle CLASS??? MIDDLE CLASS! YOUR PARENTS CAN't AFFORD iT!?! YOUR PARENTS!?!
Look, you little punkass sniveling freak from nowhereville, has a little bytch like you ever been anywhere!?! Nah, but you swag around here like you done something, YOU AIN'T DONE SHIT!!!! I'll take your little white ass to my stomping grounds and watch you writhe like the little white bitch you are! Don't you bring your little attitude up in here and then expect some kind easy greeting, nah you're just another middle class socialist minesota moonbat Bemidji State University Financial Aid whore who wouldn't know work if it bit you in your ass!
So go whine bout your Obamacare somewhere else mufka! NO ONE GIVES A SHIT! NO ONE OWES YOU SHIT! EARN YOUR WAY LITTLE BITCH, THEN COME TALK TO THIS MUFKN ROOSTER!!!
Comrade Spartakus
A little respect & a reply that doesn't involve insults. You owe me that.
I've watched this somewhat tawdry exchange from a distance and held my peace. Now at last there are two questions I would like to ask.
First, why is this owed? Respect garners respect. Or are we to misconstrue John Locke and Jefferson and accord respect to all men simply for their equally created existence?
I'll leave comments of another phylum to RR, Laika, and others, but ask only this: What exactly was it you came here for? Logical argument? Debate of an issue? To contribute satire?
So now, there is my Pleistocene paw in the ring; aim your onomatopoeic cannon of solipsisms ad cor meum ac áðencest, or in the vernacular, "ask your questions, bridge keeper, I am not afraid."
AbecedariusRex
Comrade Spartakus
A little respect & a reply that doesn't involve insults. You owe me that.
I've watched this somewhat tawdry exchange from a distance and held my peace. Now at last there are two questions I would like to ask.
Shoot.
Oh I wish I was an Oscar Meyer Wiener! Then everyone would be in love with me!
AbecedariusRex
First, why is this owed? Respect garners respect.I agree that respect garners respect. BUT, since I've generally acted better than almost everyone on this thread, I think I'm owed some respect.
"See, morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with, long as she does it quiet-like."
AbecedariusRex
Or are we to misconstrue John Locke and Jefferson and accord respect to all men simply for their equally created existence?Locke & Jefferson have nothing to do with this. General human decency, though, does.
"I would appreciate it if one person on this boat would not assume I'm an evil, lecherous hump."
AbecedariusRex
I'll leave comments of another phylum to RR, Laika, and others,You can jump in if you want, they need all the help they can get.
But please excuse me whilst I pleasure myself with this crusty and dirty old sock.
AbecedariusRex
but ask only this: What exactly was it you came here for? Logical argument? Debate of an issue? To contribute satire?What did I come here for? I'm not going to tell you, but I have my reasons. Ok, here goes. I came here because a sinister man from ACORN is holding me at gunpoint and telling me everything to type. PLEASE HELP ME! I don't want to become an ACORN man-whore.
AbecedariusRex
So now, there is my Pleistocene paw in the ring; aim your onomatopoeic cannonDo you even know what "onomatopoeia" means? 'Cuz I sure as hell don't. Whee!!! Acid makes The People's Cube taste like purple!
AbecedariusRex
of solipsismsOh, hey. Did you ever think that the hanging of Saddam Hussein might make a great Broadway musical?
AbecedariusRex
ad cor meum ac áðencest,Please kind sir. Take pity on a poor uneducated wretch and cane my bare bottom until it bleeds.
AbecedariusRex
or in the vernacular, "ask your questions, bridge keeper, I am not afraid."Did I mention how Barney Frank gives me a hard on?
When you decide to answer AbecedariusRex's questions other than nitpick it line by line like a some nat on fruit juice that'd be just great there cowboy.
Meanwhile, did you put your glass of kool-aid down when you wrote this here, I never seen a jackass Democrat ever talk so frankly about their candidate:
Meanwhile, did you put your glass of kool-aid down when you wrote this here, I never seen a jackass Democrat ever talk so frankly about their candidate:
Comrade Spartakus
Finally, the inevitable Obama-Hitler comparison. While both men were (and are) talented orators & are very charismatic, from there the similarities are just beginning. Hitler was a failed painter-turned politician after his service in World War I, and routinely used an odd combination of thuggery & care for legalities to seize power after the Beer Hall Putsch. Obama graduated from one of the most elitist effete schools in the country, had his grades sealed, was a failed ACORN mob organizer, destroyed his political opponents with slander & legal technicalities & loafed in the Illinois legislature voting "present" on damn near every vote before duping the brain washed electorate to the US Senate and then the Presidency. Hitler was an authoritarian megalomaniac with a lust for war and devastation of his enemies. Obama is just a narcissist and opposed the Iraq War invasion because it was cowardly & politically expedient and has shown no signs of being vindictive except with his former rival (see Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Keep your enemies closer...Sun Tzu). Hitler was a anti-smoking, vegetarian who was himself very sick and addicted to drugs prescribed by his doctor (including methamphetamine). Obama was a pot head who drank whisky underage with the avoved communist Frank Marshall Davis (Obama's own words) and sneaks about two packs of Kools a day and is very healthy for somebody who should know better about the cancerous evils of Big Tobacco (also he's not a vegetarian, somebody call PETA!). Hitler's place on the political spectrum is clearly that of the far left, and his "allies" during his coming to power were national socialist fellow travellers who competed against the communists for the same political turf. Obama is an Alinsky radical socialist plant (like Bill Ayers, Van Jones, and Hillary Clinton, who, by the way, did her college thesis on Alinsky), who has shown he is willing to co-opt RINO conservatives like Specter even after months of patriotic whistle-blower politics exposing his lust for power and creating Czars, yet they show no signs of caving to him because it is in the nation's best interests.
Comrade Spartakus!!!
I am truly humbled that you even see fit to lower your superior self and intellectual ideas with lesser mortals such as myself. I once was also deluded also with ideas that my Neo-Con dolts, that I had to call my parents filled me up with.
Weird primitive concepts such as I had to EARN a living and no one was going to hand one to me instead.
I see your sense that you are OWED a living just because you EXIST on this planet is well developed. I am so much in awe that I am asking the I.R.S to with-hold even more taxes from me so I can give it to you!!!!!
You've earned a free ride and it would be an honor to continue to fund your education on my hard working stiff's dime. Just reading your stuff and your logic already tells me that our college system is already producing some of the finest human beings ever on the planet with minds ready to lead us into the Glorious world of Next Tuesday!!!!!
I just have to offer you another beer, Sir!
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I served twenty years in the Navy an recently retired, I would highly suggest that you don't reply to me with how hard you have sacrificed to get to where you are at in life right now, my response will not be pleasant. You need to be in Boot-camp not College, you lack discipline and appreciation for those that really know the word freedom .[/center]
I am truly humbled that you even see fit to lower your superior self and intellectual ideas with lesser mortals such as myself. I once was also deluded also with ideas that my Neo-Con dolts, that I had to call my parents filled me up with.
Weird primitive concepts such as I had to EARN a living and no one was going to hand one to me instead.
I see your sense that you are OWED a living just because you EXIST on this planet is well developed. I am so much in awe that I am asking the I.R.S to with-hold even more taxes from me so I can give it to you!!!!!
You've earned a free ride and it would be an honor to continue to fund your education on my hard working stiff's dime. Just reading your stuff and your logic already tells me that our college system is already producing some of the finest human beings ever on the planet with minds ready to lead us into the Glorious world of Next Tuesday!!!!!
I just have to offer you another beer, Sir!
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I served twenty years in the Navy an recently retired, I would highly suggest that you don't reply to me with how hard you have sacrificed to get to where you are at in life right now, my response will not be pleasant. You need to be in Boot-camp not College, you lack discipline and appreciation for those that really know the word freedom .[/center]
Comrade Spartakus
Scandinavia is ruled by governments that are socialist (with a cradle-to-grave welfare state), but are among the most democratic, best governments in the entire world.Districts like RosengĂĄrd notwithstanding, of course. There's government efficiency for ya!
And Moni Muslim loves it! Something about those virile Blattar and their propensity to overbreed (to the point of overtaxing their welfare system) makes her hot to hope she'll get flooded with some Blattar gene-juice.
Sorry about the heterosexual imagery. Hope I didn't disturb a fantasy involving Bawney Fwank and a crusty sock.
Reinfeldt, getting back to Swedish politics, is a self-loathing flaccid prick who has completely caved in to politically-correct immigration policy, to his country's hurt. "Ursvenskt är bara barbariet," indeed. Seems their guests bring it with them.
But, I will concede he is better than Lars Ohly, who has nothing better to do than play with his balls in public.
Did I detect a twinge of interest? Sorry, Lars only plays with his own balls. But maybe he can give you a dose of his famous finger.
Digressed again...getting back to "best government," getting a grip on welfare abuses doesn't seem to be their strong suit. There's the "Fetching Marriage" problem in Norway, which compounds their immigration woes, all at state expense (they, in effect, subsidize nice shiny new mansions in the immigrants' native countries).
Democratic governments, certainly. Best? Meh. Socialized healthcare in Sweden has gotten to the point that you can get fined for being drunk in your own flat.
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Also, America is by no means socialist, and is, in fact, so conservative compared to other industrialized nations, that most European conservative politicians would feel right at home in the Democratic Party & would not be welcome with the GOP.Much of this is true...here's a new sock for you (Bawney Fwesh!) Even conservative parties there would be considered center-left here.
All right, which one of you
Fake Comrade Spartakus
AbecedariusRex
Comrade Spartakus
A little respect & a reply that doesn't involve insults. You owe me that.
I've watched this somewhat tawdry exchange from a distance and held my peace. Now at last there are two questions I would like to ask.
Shoot.
This should be interesting.
Fake Comrade Spartakus
Oh I wish I was an Oscar Meyer Wiener! Then everyone would be in love with me!I see I am clearly dealing with superior minds, here.
Fake Comrade Spartakus
AbecedariusRex
First, why is this owed? Respect garners respect.I agree that respect garners respect.
So far, so good.
Fake Comrade Spartakus
BUT, since I've generally acted better than almost everyone on this thread, I think I'm owed some respect.True dat.
Fake Comrade Spartakus
"See, morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with, long as she does it quiet-like."I have no idea what this is about, so I'll just assume my wayward "corrector" has a few screws loose in the 'ol noggin'.
Fake Comrade Spartakus
AbecedariusRex
Or are we to misconstrue John Locke and Jefferson and accord respect to all men simply for their equally created existence?Locke & Jefferson have nothing to do with this. General human decency, though, does.
And now let's see what my intellige-
Fake Comrade Spartakus
"I would appreciate it if one person on this boat would not assume I'm an evil, lecherous hump."Seriously, I think this guy needs intensive psychiatric care.
Fake Comrade Spartakus
AbecedariusRex
I'll leave comments of another phylum to RR, Laika, and others,You can jump in if you want, they need all the help they can get.
Obviously.
Fake Comrade Spartakus
But please excuse me whilst I pleasure myself with this crusty and dirty old sock.Seeing as my idiotic doppelganger has no idea how male masturbation works, I'll just let him off easy & ignore this one.
Fake Comrade Spartakus
AbecedariusRex
but ask only this: What exactly was it you came here for? Logical argument? Debate of an issue? To contribute satire?What did I come here for? I'm not going to tell you, but I have my reasons.
And here's where the crazy comes in...
Fake Comrade Spartakus
Ok, here goes. I came here because a sinister man from ACORN...with a right-wing boogeyman...
Fake Comrade Spartakus
is holding me at gunpoint and telling me everything to type. PLEASE HELP ME! I don't want to become an ACORN man-whore....followed by a health dose of gay-bashing & inferences of rape. Good job, there Cubees!
Fake Comrade Spartakus
AbecedariusRex
So now, there is my Pleistocene paw in the ring; aim your onomatopoeic cannonDo you even know what "onomatopoeia" means?
Anyone who knows what "onomatopoeia" means can see that AbecedariusRex has misused the term. Further more-
Fake Comrade Spartakus
'Cuz I sure as hell don't. Whee!!! Acid makes The People's Cube taste like purple!You know, some day when the head doctors finally figure out what's wrong with you & give you enough medications where you can actually become a functioning member of society, you'll remember this and cry at how much of a jackass you were unmedicated.
Fake Comrade Spartakus
AbecedariusRex
of solipsismsA favorite word here, apparently.
Fake Comrade Spartakus
Oh, hey. Did you ever think that the hanging of Saddam Hussein might make a great Broadway musical?Medical help; you need it.
Fake Comrade Spartakus
AbecedariusRex
ad cor meum ac áðencest,Please kind sir. Take pity on a poor uneducated wretch
Can't see how this could be taken in a negative, sick direction.
Fake Comrade Spartakus
and cane my bare bottom until it bleeds.In all seriousness, you need help.
Fake Comrade Spartakus
AbecedariusRex
or in the vernacular, "ask your questions, bridge keeper, I am not afraid."Did I mention how Barney Frank gives the People's Cube a hard on?
Fixed. Plus I saw a picture of Barney Frank in drag on this site, so I assume it's there for a reason.
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When you decide to answer AbecedariusRex's questions other than nitpickit line by line like a some nat on fruit juice that'd be just greatthere cowboy.Lone Stage Grip, I'd answer his questions if his questions were worth answering. Also, condescending nicknames at the end of the posts are my schtick, champ.
Lone Stage Grip
Meanwhile, did you put your glass of kool-aid down when you wrote this here,I smells me some fail coming up.
Lone Stage Grip
I never seen a jackass Republican ever talk intelligently about anything:Fixed for ya, Tex.
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Fake Comrade Spartakus
Finally, the inevitable Obama-Hitler comparison. While both men were(and are) talented orators & are very charismatic, from there thesimilarities..end.
Lone Stage Grip
["Fake Comrade Spartakus"are just beginning.[/quote]You see, this is why people call you guys crazy.
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Fake Comrade Spartakus
Hitler was a failed painter-turned politician after his service inWorld War I, and routinely used an odd combination of thuggery &care for legalities to seize power after the Beer Hall Putsch.Very insightful, Lone Stage Grip, now let's see what words you put in my mouth.
Lone Stage Grip
Fake Comrade Spartakus
Obama graduated from one of the most elitist effete schools in the country,"...that George W. Bush also got a degree from."
Lone Stage Grip
Fake Comrade Spartakus
had his grades sealed, was a failed ACORN mob organizerWhat is the collective hard-on for ACORN all about? Seriously, it borders on the fetishistic.
Lone Stage Grip
Fake Comrade Spartakus
destroyed his political opponents with slander & legal technicalitiesSounds totally in-character for Obama.
Lone Stage Grip
Fake Comrade Spartakus
loafed in the Illinois legislature voting "present" on damn near everyvote before duping the brain washed electorate to the US Senate andthen the Presidency.Quick, somebody, call the "waaaambulance"!
Lone Stage Grip
Fake Comrade Spartakus
Hitler was an authoritarian megalomaniac with a lust for war anddevastation of his enemies. Obama is just a narcissist and opposed theIraq War invasion because it was cowardlyI doubt Obama is a narcissist. Probably has a healthy ego, though, like all politicians, but not a narcissist. Also, he opposed the Iraq War because it was a bad idea.
Lone Stage Grip
Fake Comrade Spartakus
politically expedientGo back to early 2003 & see what was "politically expedient".
Lone Stage Grip
Fake Comrade Spartakus
and has shown no signs of being vindictive except with his former rival(see Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Keep your enemies closer...SunTzu).How insightful. Wrong, but insightful.
Lone Stage Grip
Fake Comrade Spartakus
Hitler was a anti-smoking, vegetarian who was himself very sick andaddicted to drugs prescribed by his doctor (including methamphetamine).Obama was a pot head who drank whisky underageWhich he admitted to being & doing. Don't see how this moves your "argument", champ.
Lone Stage Grip
Fake Comrade Spartakus
with the avoved communist Frank Marshall Davis (Obama's own words)Still, going, shooter? I'll give you credit, you're persistent, at least.
Lone Stage Grip
Fake Comrade Spartakus
and sneaks about two packs of Kools a day and is very healthy forsomebody who should know better about the cancerous evils of BigTobacco (also he's not a vegetarian, somebody call PETA!).While smoking is a bad habit & smokers know that it's harmful to them, they do it anyways. Also, nice way of saying he chain-smokes Kools (get it, 'cuz the Negroes like Kools!).
Lone Stage Grip
Fake Comrade Spartakus
Hitler's place on the political spectrum is clearly that of the far right,Fixed.
Lone Stage Grip
Fake Comrade Spartakus
and his "allies" during his coming to power were national socialist fellow travellersAKA conservatives.
Lone Stage Grip
Fake Comrade Spartakus
who competed against the communists for the same political turf.You know, you either must be on some pretty heavy drugs or are so far gone mentally that you can't even begin to comprehend reason.
Lone Stage Grip
Fake Comrade Spartakus
Obama is an Alinsky radical socialist plant (like Bill Ayers, VanJones, and Hillary Clinton, who, by the way, did her college thesis onAlinsky)What is this, The Manchurian Candidate?
Lone Stage Grip
Fake Comrade Spartakus
who has shown he is willing to co-opt RINO conservatives like Spectereven after months of patriotic whistle-blower politics exposing hislust for powerYeah, that Obama, he's just so insatiable when it comes to power. We just can't give it to him fast enough.
Lone Stage Grip
Fake Comrade Spartakus
and creating Czars,Like every president since Ronald Reagan has done.
Lone Stage Grip
Fake Comrade Spartakus
yet they show no signs of caving to him because it is in the nation's best interests.I would say to grow up, but I know that you'd think that would be some kind of liberal-commie trick, so I won't even bother.
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
Comrade Spartakus!!!I am truly humbled that you even see fit to lower your superior self
While I'm relieved that you're at least mature enough not to fake-cite me, I'm also saddened to see that using the whole "smug liberal" attack repeated for the thousandth time.
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
and intellectual ideasMine are the only intellectual ideas I've seen so far on this thread.
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with lesser mortals such as myself. I once was also deluded also withideas that my Neo-Con dolts, that I had to call my parents filled me upwith.Sounds like they raised you right, what with the being kind to strangers & all.
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
Weird primitive concepts such as I had to EARN a livingOh, Christ. I'm not rebutting this dreck for the millionth time. Instead, I'm going to go do something productive *goes and reads magazine while Commodore Snoogie Woogums rambles on*.
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and no one was going to hand one to me instead.I see your sense that you are OWED a living just because you EXISTon this planet is well developed. I am so much in awe that I am askingthe I.R.S to with-hold even more taxes from me so I can give it toyou!!!!!
You've earned a free ride
*turns magazine page*
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
it would be an honor to continue to fund your education on my hard working stiff's dime.*looks up* You kinda don't have a choice, chief. Public universities are funded by tax dollars. Bolded for later reference.
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
Just reading your stuff and your logic already tells me that ourcollege system is already producing some of the finest human beingsever on the planet with minds ready to lead us into the Glorious worldof Next Tuesday!!!!!*turns magazine page*
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
I just have to offer you another beer, Sir!*looks up, looks at picture and sighs, resumes reading*
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
*turns another page*
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
I served twenty years in the Navy an recently retired,*puts down magazine* While I thank you for your service, I'm a little saddened that the Navy never taught you how to form a coherent, self-sustaining argument.
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
I would highly suggest that you don't reply to me with how hard youhave sacrificed to get to where you are at in life right now, myresponse will not be pleasant.I'd be much more scared if not for the fact that:
a) You've admitted you are retired, which probably means that you are somewhat elderly.
b) Your username is "Commodore Snoogie Woogums"
c) You have shown that you cannot form an argument that even approaches being a good one.
d) I've been on sites that would make you crawl into a fetal position, sailor. Whining about me saying something you don't like won't scare me.
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
You need to be in Boot-campI wonder why you'd say tha-
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not College, you lack discipline and appreciation for those that really know the word freedom .Commodore, I'm not going to bullshit with you: I am much more discipline at my age than you where. Seeing how much of a cranky git you are, I'm willing to bet that you were an insufferable asshole when you were younger (as you are now). As for the "appreciation for those that really know the word freedom", please. I have family that are veterans & a cousin who is in the National Guard as we speak. Because that's what you really mean when you say "those who really know the word freedom". And while veterans who have fought & bled for our country (like my uncle, who still has a Viet Cong bullet in his leg) I respect, jackasses like you who use the fact that they are veterans to pummel non-veterans I despise. And as for the whole "you should be in boot-camp" shit, I've considered joining up after college if there are no jobs or we are in a conflict that is worth it.
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Oh, Christ. I'm not rebutting this dreck for the millionth time. Instead, I'm going to go do something productive *goes and reads magazine while Commodore Snoogie Woogums rambles on*.You do mean grab another crayon as you color your new book don't you?
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Commodore, I'm not going to bullshit with you: I am much more discipline at my age than you where.Interesting, do you meet me when I was younger through a time-warp? Your basing that on what??? Please be specific please I always think people with special superpower gifts are interesting.
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I'm willing to bet that you were an insufferable asshole when you were younger (as you are now).I see manners and respect for ones elders were sorta lacking in your house, but do carry on Sir.
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As for the "appreciation for those that really know the word freedom", please. I have family that are veterans & a cousin who is in the National Guard as we speak.Well at least somebody in your clan has his picture in uniform on the wall in the house that your family can point to with pride when company comes over.
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I respect, jackasses like you who use the fact that they are veterans to pummel non-veterans I despise.No, you don't and that is really to bad, but no worries there shipmate I still have your back, did when I was active duty do now as a Vet....Keep posting, after all there a ton of others in the Military right that followed on in my footsteps so you can call them "Jackasses" also in the future if they don't agree with your political views (which are what exactly?)
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like my uncle, who still has a Viet Cong bullet in his legI honor his Service. I do hope you don't call him Jackass behind his back and since he is a Vietnam Vet, it means he is also a elderly now I hope you don't say 'git' around him either, but you have already showed manners really weren't taught in your house.
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And as for the whole "you should be in boot-camp" shit, I've considered joining up after college if there are no jobs or we are in a conflict that is worth it.Hate to break it you they have standards and mandatory random drug tests, I think you may have a little problem with that. Also they use words like Sir and Ma'am and manners and respect for other peoples opinion doesn't really seem to be your forte. Though instead of leeching of society and your parents it would be nice to see you join so you could use the G.I Bill instead and actually learn what freedom really is.....Though your to busy reading magazines and insulting others and your elders to be bothered with that I would guess.
Carry On there SHIPMATE!!!!!..... I'm sure your Mom and dad are sooo proud of you.
Oops, missed this one.
Always an honor to be in a discussion with a "Real Combat" veteran. I do hope your electronic scars have healed Sir.
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d) I've been on sites that would make you crawl into a fetal position, sailor. Whining about me saying something you don't like won't scare me.Always an honor to be in a discussion with a "Real Combat" veteran. I do hope your electronic scars have healed Sir.
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Oh, Christ. I'm not rebutting this dreck for the millionth time. Instead, I'm going to go do something productive *goes and reads magazine while Commodore Snoogie Woogums rambles on*.You do mean grab another crayon as you color your new book don't you?
Lame comeback aside, it's nice to see that you've noted that you rambled on. Shows character.
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Commodore, I'm not going to bullshit with you: I am much more discipline at my age than you where.Interesting, do you meet me when I was younger through a time-warp? Your basing that on what???
Your current level of immaturity, pops.
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
Please be specific please I always think people with special superpower gifts are interesting.Inductive & deductive reasoning skills are not "superpower gifts."
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
Comrade Spartakus
I'm willing to bet that you were an insufferable asshole when you were younger (as you are now).I see manners and respect for ones elders were sorta lacking in your house,
Nice to see you're worried about manners & respect now. Way to go after my family, though. Shows class.
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
but do carry on Sir.I intend to.
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As for the "appreciation for those that really know the word freedom", please. I have family that are veterans & a cousin who is in the National Guard as we speak.Well at least somebody in your clan has his picture in uniform on the wall in the house that your family can point to with pride when company comes over.
Nice to see you take the high road, Commodore.
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
Comrade Spartakus
I respect, jackasses like you who use the fact that they are veterans to pummel non-veterans I despise.No, you don't
I do despise vets who think their shit doesn't stink because they served. Men & women like my uncle, who went through hell in Vietnam, and don't parade around the fact that they did something are some of the greatest people I've ever met & should serve as an example of people who serve their country and do so with honor and dignity.
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
and that is really to bad, but no worries there shipmate I still have your back, did when I was active duty do now as a Vet....If I may ask, did you serve in any of our conflict when you were active duty?
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
Keep posting, after all there a ton of others in the Military right that followed on in my footstepsWhat's the "Military right"? Also, I hope to God they don't become little Snoogie Woogumses. (Good God, that sounds like I'm babying something...)
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
so you can call them "Jackasses" also in the future if they don't agree with your political views (which are what exactly?)I call people "jackasses" when they act like jackasses, not because they don't vote the same way I do. And I'm not telling you my political views, because with that ammunition, you might hurt yourself.
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
Comrade Spartakus
like my uncle, who still has a Viet Cong bullet in his legI honor his Service. I do hope you don't call him Jackass behind his back
My uncle is a really nice guy. I have no reason to do that. Plus, I have so much respect for him, I'd never do that anyways.
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
and since he is a Vietnam Vet, it means he is also a elderly now I hope you don't say 'git' around him either, but you have already showed manners really weren't taught in your house.I like how you can go from praising a member of my family to insulting my family in two sentences. Way to stay consistant, CSW.
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
Comrade Spartakus
And as for the whole "you should be in boot-camp" shit, I've considered joining up after college if there are no jobs or we are in a conflict that is worth it.Hate to break it you they have standards
They can't be too high if they let you in.
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
and mandatory random drug tests, I think you may have a little problem with that.I know guys that have gone into the military that were party animals before they enlisted. Plus, since I don't do illegal drugs, I'm not going to rise to your smear.
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Also they use words like Sir and Ma'am and manners and respect for other peoples opinion doesn't really seem to be your forte.IRL, I'm much nicer and polite than a lot of people my age. Online, If I don't give a flying fuck what you think, I'll tell it to you. There's a big difference, SIR.
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Though instead of leeching of societySo everybody who doesn't join up is "leeching of [sic] society"? Way to pick your words, Cap'n.
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
and your parentsHow have I ever indicated I "leech off my parents"?
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it would be nice to see you join so you could use the G.I BillNo thanks, I think working hard all summer & a little on the side during the school year is good enough. Thanks for caring, though.
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instead and actually learn what freedom really is.....OK. If you can't let this one go, fine. Tell me "what freedom is". Show me where I'm "wrong".
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
Though your toSorry, but this is about the 5th time you've used the wrong "to/two/too" in this post. I thought the Navy had standards, Commodore?
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
busy reading magazines and insulting othersIt is a full-time job.
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and your eldersIf it really bothers you that much that I (read: young people) "don't respect their elders", that's your problem. I respect elders that deserve respect. Crabby old assholes who happen to be older than I am I give the same amount of respect I give crabby assholes my same age.
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to be bothered with that I would guess.Carry On there SHIPMATE!!!!!..... I'm sure your Mom and dad are sooo proud of you.
Your erratic capitalization in that last sentence is off-setting, I have to say. Also, I'd assume your "sooo" was meant to be sarcastic, but due to your previous inability to use proper English spelling, I have to assume that spelling "so" with only one "O" is beyond your grasp.
Hahahahaha
Another shit ass punk just like The Mime™
"Commodore, I'm not going to bullshit with you: I am much more discipline at my age than you where. Seeing how much of a cranky git you are, I'm willing to bet that you were an insufferable asshole when you were younger (as you are now). As for the "appreciation for those that really know the word freedom", please. I have family that are veterans & a cousin who is in the National Guard as we speak. Because that's what you really mean when you say "those who really know the word freedom". And while veterans who have fought & bled for our country (like my uncle, who still has a Viet Cong bullet in his leg) I respect, jackasses like you who use the fact that they are veterans to pummel non-veterans I despise. And as for the whole "you should be in boot-camp" shit, I've considered joining up after college if there are no jobs or we are in a conflict that is worth it."
Family members? Do you have an Aunt who was in the DAR?
Hahahaha.
Hey fucktard Spoogicus!
A good many of us here ARE VETS!
I'll tell you what little boy, you show me your CIB and I'll show you mine.
Just like the fucking piece of shit Mime™..."I have family members..."
Scum.
It's the same old pap with every liberal whose heart "bleeds" for veterans and whines "I have family members" to justify their weepy "no balls" bull shit.
Punk. Who gives a shit? I'd bet a dollar to a donut these family members of yours would kick your ass if they knew how much disrespect you've shown to all the vets here.
Man up, drop out and enlist. You could always finish school later after you LEARN REAL RESPECT AND DISCIPLINE.
I was injured on active duty and still suffer with pain each day of my life. I was Army Signal, Bloody Bucket, 28th ID 28th BN Co A
Dad is Retired Navy. 2 Bronze Stars, 3 Tours of Nam and flew as a RIO Spook off of flat tops in a F-4 Phantom. He was there for Rolling Thunder and the Forrestal disaster.
I could go all the way back to the Revolution with "family" members. One made the supreme sacrifice at Fredericksburg marching with the Irish Brigade up to Marye's Heights.
Shall I continue wimp?
One more snarky comment from your flabby-assed loose tongue and you'll be "The Commissar That Vanished".
Another shit ass punk just like The Mime™
"Commodore, I'm not going to bullshit with you: I am much more discipline at my age than you where. Seeing how much of a cranky git you are, I'm willing to bet that you were an insufferable asshole when you were younger (as you are now). As for the "appreciation for those that really know the word freedom", please. I have family that are veterans & a cousin who is in the National Guard as we speak. Because that's what you really mean when you say "those who really know the word freedom". And while veterans who have fought & bled for our country (like my uncle, who still has a Viet Cong bullet in his leg) I respect, jackasses like you who use the fact that they are veterans to pummel non-veterans I despise. And as for the whole "you should be in boot-camp" shit, I've considered joining up after college if there are no jobs or we are in a conflict that is worth it."
Family members? Do you have an Aunt who was in the DAR?
Hahahaha.
Hey fucktard Spoogicus!
A good many of us here ARE VETS!
I'll tell you what little boy, you show me your CIB and I'll show you mine.
Just like the fucking piece of shit Mime™..."I have family members..."
Scum.
It's the same old pap with every liberal whose heart "bleeds" for veterans and whines "I have family members" to justify their weepy "no balls" bull shit.
Punk. Who gives a shit? I'd bet a dollar to a donut these family members of yours would kick your ass if they knew how much disrespect you've shown to all the vets here.
Man up, drop out and enlist. You could always finish school later after you LEARN REAL RESPECT AND DISCIPLINE.
I was injured on active duty and still suffer with pain each day of my life. I was Army Signal, Bloody Bucket, 28th ID 28th BN Co A
Dad is Retired Navy. 2 Bronze Stars, 3 Tours of Nam and flew as a RIO Spook off of flat tops in a F-4 Phantom. He was there for Rolling Thunder and the Forrestal disaster.
I could go all the way back to the Revolution with "family" members. One made the supreme sacrifice at Fredericksburg marching with the Irish Brigade up to Marye's Heights.
Shall I continue wimp?
One more snarky comment from your flabby-assed loose tongue and you'll be "The Commissar That Vanished".
Comrade Spartakus
All right, which one of youFake Comrade Spartakus
AbecedariusRex
Comrade Spartakus
A little respect & a reply that doesn't involve insults. You owe me that.
I've watched this somewhat tawdry exchange from a distance and held my peace. Now at last there are two questions I would like to ask.
Shoot.
This should be interesting.
bang bang bangity bang bang bang...
...I've considered joining up after college if there are no jobs or we are in a conflict that is worth it.
"Look, we've got them so confused they're firing on their own positions." - Major Winters
"You atheists are always invoking God" - William Hurt
"And you gays never face facts - fantasies are no escape!" - Raul Julia
"If you have the keys to this cell I will gladly follow. Until then, I will 'escape' in my own way." - William Hurt
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I'd bet a dollar to a donut these family members of yours would kick your ass if they knew how much disrespect you've shown to all the vets here.Man up, drop out and enlist. You could always finish school later after you LEARN REAL RESPECT AND DISCIPLINE.
NO THANKS!
I was a Navy recruiter for three years, I have more than enough dealing with parents trying to dump a jerk like him on me try to fix him his dumb ass.
By the way Junior, I retired after 20 years on Naval Service, you think I joined at when I was 40 instead of at 20?
Do the math as to how elderly I am.
Do the math as to how elderly I am.
Comrade what ever your name will be at the end of my post
Commissar Elliott, you're up! And you even get to be quoted. Aren't you a special little sheep!
And I could say the same for you, because you are like all the sheep like trolls who came before you. So can you answer me this, are you really that unique?
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Commissar Elliott
The chart is but a summary, it's not an eloquent elaboration. Yes, people are on socialist security,Oh good, slandering the only lifeline for many poor, disabled and elderly. Good way to build sympathy for your argument.
It's called being prepared, ever heard of it?
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Commissar Elliott
What the chart is talking about is when you reach the point when people DON'T pay into a system, the government literally hands out money to you, for no apparent reason other then for votes.Then why did you bring it up, at all if your chart is not applicable to any situation outside of banana republics. I may not be a master of international politics, but what you say your chart describes is useless for countries that are either: full-fledged liberal democracies (i.e. the US, western Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, etc.), or are undemocratic (China, Vietnam, Cuba, most of Africa, etc.).[/quote]
Ever heard of progressing? It's a PROGRESSIVE chart, meaning there will be intermediate phases, i.e. in between apathy and dependence, there will be full apathy, but only SO MANY in the dependence phase. IT WILL PROGRESS TO SAID LEVEL. I write in big letters to make a point. Anyway, it has EVERYTHING to do with our democracy, if you need proof, allow me, and the feel free to deny me afterward, because I know you will.
Looking at the 2000 election:
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Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million;
Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000
States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2 Bush: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned projects and living off government welfare...
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some 40 percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
The critical point is when people living on government entitlements passes 50% and can control future elections. From that point, the party that promises the most free entitlements wins. Unfortunately less than 50% of the population will be paying the taxes to support the majority.
Now that was nine years ago, now answer me this, is that irrelevant to our democracy?
. . . and I await your denial.
Laika the Space Dog
HahahahahaAnother shit ass punk just like The Mime™
Soviet Puppy Chow, I really don't God damn care about "The Mime"]
Laika the Space Dog
"Commodore, I'm not going to bullshit with you: I am much more discipline at my age than you where. Seeing how much of a cranky git you are, I'm willing to bet that you were an insufferable asshole when you were younger (as you are now). As for the "appreciation for those that really know the word freedom", please. I have family that are veterans & a cousin who is in the National Guard as we speak. Because that's what you really mean when you say "those who really know the word freedom". And while veterans who have fought & bled for our country (like my uncle, who still has a Viet Cong bullet in his leg) I respect, jackasses like you who use the fact that they are veterans to pummel non-veterans I despise. And as for the whole "you should be in boot-camp" shit, I've considered joining up after college if there are no jobs or we are in a conflict that is worth it."Family members? Do you have an Aunt who was in the DAR?
My grandfather fought in Iwo Jima & was scheduled to take part in Operation Downfall. My great-uncle flew bombing runs over Europe. My uncle spent over 20 years in the Air Force. My cousin is in the National Guard. In addition to my Vietnam vet uncle, I think that qualifies me to say "family members".
Laika the Space Dog
Hahahaha.Hey fucktard Spoogicus!
Why do I even bother being even halfway polite to you?
Laika the Space Dog
A good many of us here ARE VETS!I'm so sad for our armed forces if that is true.
Laika the Space Dog
I'll tell you what little boy, you show me your CIB and I'll show you mine.What part of I've never been in the military don't you fucking understand?
Laika the Space Dog
Just like the fucking piece of shit Mime™...Still don't care.
Laika the Space Dog
"I have family members..."Scum.
Right now you sound like the protestors who spit at my uncle when he came home from 'Nam.
Laika the Space Dog
It's the same old pap with every liberal whose heart "bleeds" for veterans and whines "I have family members" to justify their weepy "no balls" bull shit.Just because I haven't served in the military does not mean I have "no balls". It means that I'm getting an education & will consider going into the service after I graduate.
Laika the Space Dog
Punk. Who gives a shit?Apparently you do, otherwise you wouldn't reply to me.
Laika the Space Dog
I'd bet a dollar to a donut these family members of yours would kick your ass if they knew how much disrespect you've shown to all the vets here.My grandfather is dead, my great-uncle is superarthriticy and in his mid-80s, my uncle has so many health problems it isn't funny, and you can bet a goddamn dollar that if my ex-Air Force uncle or cousin started shit with me, we'd have one less member of the military community on our hands. Also, the people I've mentioned (with the probably exception of my Air Force uncle) would probably back me to the hilt. They aren't stupid, which is more than I can say for you.
Laika the Space Dog
Man up, drop out and enlist.Nice to see you encouraging education, Zero-G Pup.
Laika the Space Dog
You could always finish school later after you LEARN REAL RESPECT AND DISCIPLINE.Because you show how much the armed services have showed you "respect and discipline".
Laika the Space Dog
I was injured on active duty and still suffer with pain each day of my life. I was Army Signal, Bloody Bucket, 28th ID 28th BN Co A.I'm thankful for your sacrifice and honestly saddened that you are still in pain. Were you injured in combat?
Laika the Space Dog
Dad is Retired Navy. 2 Bronze Stars, 3 Tours of Nam and flew as a RIO Spook off of flat tops in a F-4 Phantom. He was there for Rolling Thunder and the Forrestal disaster.I'm thankful for your father's service also.
Laika the Space Dog
I could go all the way back to the Revolution with "family" members. One made the supreme sacrifice at Fredericksburg marching with the Irish Brigade up to Marye's Heights.My ancestor fought at Fredericksburg as well & I have family that fought in the Revolution & as far back as King Philip's War.
Laika the Space Dog
Shall I continue wimp?Nice to see that the respect you learned in the Army is being put to good use as a civilian.
Laika the Space Dog
One more snarky comment from your flabby-assed loose tongue and you'll be "The Commissar That Vanished".I'm quivering in my boots.
AbecedariusRex
"Look, we've got them so confused they're firing on their own positions." - Major WintersSounds like something I say when I see posts like this.
AbecedariusRex
"You atheists are always invoking God" - William HurtI'm not an atheist.
AbecedariusRex
"And you gays never face facts - fantasies are no escape!" - Raul JuliaNeither am I gay.
AbecedariusRex
"If you have the keys to this cell I will gladly follow. Until then, I will 'escape' in my own way." - William HurtDon't know where this came from, but okay....
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
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I'd bet a dollar to a donut these family members of yours would kickyour ass if they knew how much disrespect you've shown to all the vetshere.Man up, drop out and enlist. You could always finish school later after you LEARN REAL RESPECT AND DISCIPLINE.
NO THANKS!
I was a Navy recruiter for three years, I have more than enough dealing with parents trying to dump
I'm pretty sure my mom would go apoplectic if she found out what I said about possibly joining up. My Vietnam vet uncle would pull out all the stops to persuade me not to join.
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
a jerk like him on me try to fix him his dumb ass.While I may be a jerk (to most), I am not dumb. I've offered rebuttals to pretty much every single thing thrown at me & have done it much more maturely & intelligently than most of my opponents. Read the thread yourself for evidence.
Commodore Snoogie Woogums
By the way Junior, I retired after 20 years on Naval Service, you think I joined at when I was 40 instead of at 20?Do the math as to how elderly I am.
OK, so you must be in your early to mid-40s. You're still much older than I am, and if your arguing skills are any indication, you're mentally younger than I am.
Commissar_Elliott
Comrade whatever your name will be at the end of my post
Commissar Elliott, you're up! And you even get to be quoted. Aren't you a special little sheep!And I could say the same for you,
Well, I am up. But the sheep part, nah. I don't see the world the way my mommy and daddy taught me to. I make up my own damn mind, unlike some people I know.
Commissar_Elliott
because you are like all the sheep like trolls who came before you.Don't care.
Commissar_Elliott
So can you answer me this, are you really that unique?Seeing as a troll of moderate intelligence could easily beat you all in a debate, then I guess I'm not really unique as a "troll". As a person, well, we all learned in school that we were "special", remember?
Commissar_Elliott
Comrade Spartakus
Commissar_Elliott
The chart is but a summary, it's not an eloquent elaboration. Yes, people are on socialist security,Oh good, slandering the only lifeline for many poor, disabled and elderly. Good way to build sympathy for your argument.
It's called being prepared, ever heard of it?
I'm going to assume that you mean that you prepared for your argument, not that you blame the people who need social security (like the poor, disabled or elderly) to stay afloat for not being prepared. I'm willing to overlook this once.
Commissar_Elliott
Comrade Spartakus
Commissar_Elliott
What the chart is talking about is when you reach the point when peopleDON'T pay into a system, the government literally hands out money toyou, for no apparent reason other then for votes.Then why did you bring it up, at all if yourchart is not applicable to any situation outside of banana republics. Imay not be a master of international politics, but what you say yourchart describes is useless for countries that are either: full-fledgedliberal democracies (i.e. the US, western Europe, Canada, Australia,Japan, etc.), or are undemocratic (China, Vietnam, Cuba, most ofAfrica, etc.).
Ever heard of progressing?
Isn't that what the 9/12ers and the teabaggers are against?
Commissar_Elliott
It's a PROGRESSIVE chart, meaning there will beintermediate phases, i.e. in between apathy and dependence, there willbe full apathy, but only SO MANY in the dependence phase. IT WILLPROGRESS TO SAID LEVEL. I write in big letters to make a point.And I reply with a snarky attitude because of the abundance of asshats in the vicinity.
Commissar_Elliot
Anyway, it has EVERYTHING to do with ourdemocracy, if you need proof, allow me, and the feel free to deny meafterward, because I know you will.Let's see what you got, anyways.
Commissar_Elliott
Looking at the 2000 election:Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul,Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000Presidential election:[/quote][/quote]
Sounds good so far.
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Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million;I wonder how this would look if it was "population of states won by:"...
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Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000Laughably easy to dismiss. The GOP tends to do well in rural areas/counties, and since rural districts are much larger than urban districts, Bush of course would win a much high amount of real estate.
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States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29Same kind of argument; Bush won the more rural, less populated states. Since a lot of states in the Midwest & Rocky Mountain regions are this way, of course he won more states than Gore did.
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Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2 Bush: 2.1I'd like to see the statistics for that. Even if it is true, there are much more murders in urban areas than in rural areas, simply because there are more people packed closer together.
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Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of theterritory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizensof this country.Stop right there. How is this in any way an unbiased source with a quote like that?
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Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned projects and living off government welfare...Olson believes the United States is nowsomewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of ProfessorTyler's definition of democracy, with some 40 percent of the nation'spopulation already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
Is that who you stole the chart from?
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The critical point is when people living ongovernment entitlements passes 50% and can control future elections.From that point, the party that promises the most free entitlementswins. Unfortunately less than 50% of the population will be paying thetaxes to support the majority.I hate to tell this to you, Commissar_Elliott, but being on Social Security doesn't mean you don't pay taxes. If I live to be 90 years old, and live off Social Security, I'll get in trouble if I don't file my tax returns. Or, unless your argument is that soon, we'll have over half the country be made up of illegal aliens...
Commissar_Elliott
Now that was nine years ago, now answer me this, is that irrelevant to our democracy?. . . and I await your denial.
You've got it, Commissar. Also, I'd like to point out that a lot of the places that went for Bush in 2000 Obama won last November. So, even if your preposterous theory is correct (which it's not), and the government throws money to poor, lazy people like a drunken sailor on shore leave, it's already spreading to the parts of "real America".
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Commissar_Elliott
Comrade whatever your name will be at the end of my post
Commissar Elliott, you're up! And you even get to be quoted. Aren't you a special little sheep!And I could say the same for you,
Well, I am up. But the sheep part, nah. I don't see the world the way my mommy and daddy taught me to. I make up my own damn mind, unlike some people I know.
Oh you're right, simply because I saw the other side and I didn't like it, that makes me a sheep. Well, baaaaah.
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Commissar_Elliott
because you are like all the sheep like trolls who came before you.Don't care.
Yeah you do, you are trying desperately to stick out amongst the crowd, when all you've done is proven you are like the trolls who have come before us.
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Commissar_Elliott
So can you answer me this, are you really that unique?Seeing as a troll of moderate intelligence could easily beat you all in a debate, then I guess I'm not really unique as a "troll". As a person, well, we all learned in school that we were "special", remember?
Moderate intelligence? Ha! There's a laugh and here's why, short answer, see above, but for the long answer, you come on here, blasting us as morons, idiots, and the like. If you had a drop of intelligence in your mind, you'd realize we are all entitled to an opinion, even if it's different from your own. If you had any brains to speak of, you'd let us be, because we have opinions, but you're too stubborn for that aren't you?
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Commissar_Elliott
Comrade Spartakus
Commissar_Elliott
The chart is but a summary, it's not an eloquent elaboration. Yes, people are on socialist security,Oh good, slandering the only lifeline for many poor, disabled and elderly. Good way to build sympathy for your argument.
It's called being prepared, ever heard of it?
I'm going to assume that you mean that you prepared for your argument, not that you blame the people who need social security (like the poor, disabled or elderly) to stay afloat for not being prepared. I'm willing to overlook this once.
Poor performance indeed, you'd at least try to deny my statement at least. I understand emergencies happen, and you need money for medical bills, but if you are able bodied, you should be prepared for a life-changing event, it's called working hard, investing in a retirement plan, and if an accident comes on prematurely, THEN you can take out socialist security.
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Commissar_Elliott
Comrade Spartakus
Commissar_Elliott
What the chart is talking about is when you reach the point when people DON'T pay into a system, the government literally hands out money to you, for no apparent reason other then for votes.Then why did you bring it up, at all if yourchart is not applicable to any situation outside of banana republics. Imay not be a master of international politics, but what you say yourchart describes is useless for countries that are either: full-fledgedliberal democracies (i.e. the US, western Europe, Canada, Australia,Japan, etc.), or are undemocratic (China, Vietnam, Cuba, most ofAfrica, etc.).
Ever heard of progressing?
Isn't that what the 9/12ers and the teabaggers are against?
Actually yes, if you understood what they, I, and all us on here stood for, you'd realize we are against us progressing to the dependency stage, and eventually to the bondage stage. Where hard work is rewarded, affirmative action is removed because, in theory, everyone is treated the same. I say in theory because racism will always exist as long as opinions exist.
Commissar_Elliott
It's a PROGRESSIVE chart, meaning there will beintermediate phases, i.e. in between apathy and dependence, there willbe full apathy, but only SO MANY in the dependence phase. IT WILLPROGRESS TO SAID LEVEL. I write in big letters to make a point.And I reply with a snarky attitude because of the abundance of asshats in the vicinity.
Commissar_Elliot
Anyway, it has EVERYTHING to do with ourdemocracy, if you need proof, allow me, and the feel free to deny meafterward, because I know you will.Let's see what you got, anyways.
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Commissar_Elliott
Looking at the 2000 election:Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul,Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000Presidential election:[/quote]
Sounds good so far.
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Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million;I wonder how this would look if it was "population of states won by:"...
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Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000Laughably easy to dismiss. The GOP tends to do well in rural areas/counties, and since rural districts are much larger than urban districts, Bush of course would win a much high amount of real estate.
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States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29Same kind of argument; Bush won the more rural, less populated states. Since a lot of states in the Midwest & Rocky Mountain regions are this way, of course he won more states than Gore did.
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Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2 Bush: 2.1I'd like to see the statistics for that. Even if it is true, there are much more murders in urban areas than in rural areas, simply because there are more people packed closer together.
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Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of theterritory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizensof this country.Stop right there. How is this in any way an unbiased source with a quote like that?
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Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned projects and living off government welfare...Olson believes the United States is nowsomewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of ProfessorTyler's definition of democracy, with some 40 percent of the nation'spopulation already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
Is that who you stole the chart from?
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The critical point is when people living ongovernment entitlements passes 50% and can control future elections.From that point, the party that promises the most free entitlementswins. Unfortunately less than 50% of the population will be paying thetaxes to support the majority.I hate to tell this to you, Commissar_Elliott, but being on Social Security doesn't mean you don't pay taxes. If I live to be 90 years old, and live off Social Security, I'll get in trouble if I don't file my tax returns. Or, unless your argument is that soon, we'll have over half the country be made up of illegal aliens...[/quote][/quote]
First off, do you even know who pays the majority of taxes? I'd like to see if you know.
Second, of course living on SS doesn't mean you stop paying taxes, ever heard of sales taxes (small example)?
Commissar_Elliott
Now that was nine years ago, now answer me this, is that irrelevant to our democracy?. . . and I await your denial.
You've got it, Commissar. Also, I'd like to point out that a lot of the places that went for Bush in 2000 Obama won last November. So, even if your preposterous theory is correct (which it's not), and the government throws money to poor, lazy people like a drunken sailor on shore leave, it's already spreading to the parts of "real America".[/quote]
First off, my theory, or actually Dr. Joseph Olson's, is correct. It will spread because it's being made a hell of a lot easier to get onto some form of government, especially if we get this Healthcare bill rammed down our throat. I doubt there are many welfare recipients out there who vote conservative.
Also, haven't you heard of the undecided, the dead and living swing, the change in perception? Of course places that voted for Bush in 2000 may have voted for Obama, it's called a cycle. There are people who come of voting age, there are those who vote who died off, there are those who didn't vote, there are those who changed parties. It's called an opinion.
. . . and I await your denial.
Comrade what ever your name will be after this post
While I may be a jerk (to most), I am not dumb. I've offered rebuttals to pretty much every single thing thrown at me & have done it much more maturely & intelligently than most of my opponents. Read the thread yourself for evidence.Intelligence and maturity?
From 'The Cube has a Spawn'
And then, upon understanding that, you'll gosit back in your comfy chair, and, with Cheeto-crusted fingers, avidlyblog about "why them liberuls is all bad" & "why we dont needtaxs".
From the Cube has a Spawn'
In short, it's good that Commissar Elliott candress himself in the morning, go to school with his helmet permanentlyaffixed to his (probably misshapen) head, and not soil himself whenteacher calls on him. But it's bad when he starts to think he's able totalk about grown-up things.
from same post
If you're going to talk about the Democrats, please say Democratic Party. Saying "Democrat Party" makes you look like a slavish partisan.
I want to bring this one up because you still have yet to respond to me with a little dignity, so I'm still calling it the democrat party.
From 'The Cube has a Spawn'
I say this earnestly, with no malice intended:if you don't like people stereotyping you, then quit giving themammunition that suggests that they're right.
Do you see the irony here? I do.
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Again, more proof that the maturity fairy has ignored this site and avast majority of its regulars. Nice to know that I'm dealing withsuperior minds, here.Again, the irony is pathetic, for your arguments.
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I'm starting to wonder if this board is populated by inbred men-children who make Joe Dirt look like Albert Einstein.
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"said Colonel 7.62, before being rushed to the ER for third degree burns on his amazingly tiny wee-wee."
Said earlier in the post
Oh, those gosh-darned liberals! They can't communicate if you take away their potty words & worldview!
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It's seriously like arguing with a fussy five year-old.
From 'Remembering Sept. 11th'
Good for you, I'm sure your mom will be happy the word-a-day calendar she got you has been put to good use.
From 'Remembering Sept. 11th'
I like this, because this is like the potcalling the kettle black. I mean, seriously, what is "reality" for you?Is it something that'll "teach" me to not be a "librul"? Please. Idoubt that living in your parents' basement really is the same thing asbeing a middle-class college student from an economic death zone, likeI am, working my ass off to pay for college.
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I like how you think I have a positiveself-image. I mean, for Christ's sake, I spend my time talking topeople like you. If I really thought my shit didn't stink, I wouldn'teven want to read your arrogant, condescending abortion of a reply.
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At least I won't grow up to be a bitch, unlike some people I know.
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It's funny you mention the whole Barney Frank thing. See, talking to pedanticAs for it being a "big boy board", please. All of the people whohave replied to me have shown less maturity than I have. Which,admittedly, is not a lot, but the point still stands.
The "Obtuse children" thing isn't true. I mean, if it was, then why are you still here?
If you aren't wasting time on me, then why are you quoting my entire posts?
Finally, "children like you are a dime a dozen" from you soundslike the fond recollection of a guy who went to a Filipino brothelspecializing in younger boys.
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Or at least, not respond like a pack of roaming douches.
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I won't call you assholes if you don't act like them.
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It was too much to ask for, wasn't it? I mean,look, while I haven't been always civil, I'm not a hypocrite. Iacknowledge that I can be an asshole & I won't deny it. On theother hand, people on this board/thread/site/whatever constantly callme names and are surprised & offended when I call them out on theirdouchiness. So don't dish it out if you can't take it.
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It's amazing that you're considered a responsible adult, what with all the child-like bullshit that I've seen you do.
From 'Communist Manifesto'
So you think that America, because we are"socialist" will turn into a semi-dictatorship? That, in itself isretarded. Scandinavia is ruled by governments that are socialist (witha cradle-to-grave welfare state), but are among the most democratic,best governments in the entire world. Also, America is by no meanssocialist, and is, in fact, so conservative compared to otherindustrialized nations, that most European conservative politicianswould feel right at home in the Democratic Party & would not bewelcome with the GOP.
So, in short: You fail politics forever.
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"Today, for now," is perhaps the worst exampleof illiteracy I've seen today. Also, from what it looks like, youaren't really well-versed in generational politics, so it'd probably bebest if...
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AKA Commissar Elliott's Bible.
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Because I have some compunctions about makingfun of the mentally handicapped, I'll decide to forgo my impersonationof Commissar Elliott, and instead, praise him for the nice strawmen hehas crafted. Good job, champ.
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No. It's not. You are wrong and yourcategorizations are wrong as well. Since you won't accept the fact thatfascists & liberals are not ideological BFFs, I'm not going towaste my time trying to convince you of what every moderatelyintelligent person knows.
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Thank you, Lone Stage Dick (see what I did there?). It would be a much better criticism if you didn't, oh, say, spend your entire post nit-picking my post.
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Lone Stage Grip, you realize that I was beingsarcastic, right? I mean, for God's sake, what in the hell makes youthink I was being serious?
Also, being "attacked" by you is as threatening to me as being challenged to a debate by an especially cranky four year-old.
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Also, BSU is not Bull Shit University. If it were, you'd be the Dean.
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Laika, since, you are, after all, a Bitch InSpace, I'd like to send you to a space where you'd be more comfortable.It's called meatspace, AKA the real world. Go out there sometime, andtry to make friends. You know, "friends"? Like the people who can standto be around your unfunny, probably insane ass.
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Oh good, I like this. You assume since I'm acollege student, that I don't have a grasp of the "real world"? Nicetry there, SpaceBitch, but I know what the "real world" is like. I alsoknow that people who
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Your profiling skills, much like your arguingand reasoning skills, are terrible. I'm not a grad student. And while Imay appear a snob to you, asking someone to call you Lord Laikawhen all you've done is attack them & generally behave like anelitist asshole. Yes, that's right. I called you an elitist. Deal withit.
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Oh boy, I'll be like Huckleberry Finn, LOL!11!!!1!
Seriously, Laika, is there any way you can go one paragraph without throwing around random smears?
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Nice. I never even mentioned Cuba at all & you go on a paragraph-long rant about it. Signs of a skilled debater, indeed.
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Nice strawman you're building.
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And they'd be interested in you?I'm going to go get some air *goes outside & launches 5-minute longhysterical laughing fit, composes himself & reenters*. Okay, I'mback.
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Is there any way for you to be even more of a dick? I mean, without approaching "douche" territory?
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HOLY SHIT! Laika's gone rogue and ranheadlong past the Douche Territory border & has in fact entered theDouche capital of Doucheopolis & has displaced Kanye West asEmperor of Douchedom! This coup will not go unanswered Space Cur!
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Nice to know that you took the time to type out your mental strain, Red Rooster.
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Whiny little bitch, aren't you?
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I really don't care about "The Mime". What Ido care about is the fact that you probably consider yourself clever.That is both hilarious in and of itself & tragic.
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I agree that respect garners respect. BUT, sinceI've generally acted better than almost everyone on this thread, Ithink I'm owed some respect.
"See, morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with, long as she does it quiet-like."
Ironic
All right, I need to get moving, but in short, maturity from us Spartikus? I think you could learn a thing or two from your own statements, because we'd show you maturity if you showed us it. There's are all insults you've thrown at us, unaltered.
By the way Junior, I retired after 20 years on Naval Service, you think I joined at when I was 40 instead of at 20?
Do the math as to how elderly I am.
Agreed, I am most impress with your ability to put two and two together........Your so brilliant you couldn't even figure out how old I was when it was right in front of your face the first time, I had to point it out to you twice....... Your a true, "Super Genius."
Do the math as to how elderly I am.
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OK, so you must be in your early to mid-40s. You're still much older than I am, and if your arguing skills are any indication, you're mentally younger than I am.Agreed, I am most impress with your ability to put two and two together........Your so brilliant you couldn't even figure out how old I was when it was right in front of your face the first time, I had to point it out to you twice....... Your a true, "Super Genius."
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Comrade whatever your name will be at the end of my post
Commissar Elliott, you're up! And you even get to be quoted. Aren't you a special little sheep!And I could say the same for you,
Well, I am up. But the sheep part, nah. I don't see the world the way my mommy and daddy taught me to. I make up my own damn mind, unlike some people I know.
Oh you're right, simply because I saw the other side
Oh, God. This is going to be a fun one, I just know it.
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and I didn't like it, that makes me a sheep. Well, baaaaah.From what I've gathered, your version of "I saw the other side" translates into "I once watched John Kerry on TV for five minutes".
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because you are like all the sheep like trolls who came before you.Don't care.
Yeah you do,
When I have I given any indication I care about this shit?
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you are trying desperately to stick out amongst the crowd,Trust me, CE, having a brain here makes you stick out automatically.
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when all you've done is proven you are like the trolls who have come before us.I've never once cared about the "trolls who have come before us". I also will never care about them. Stop referencing them.
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So can you answer me this, are you really that unique?Seeing as a troll of moderate intelligence could easily beat you all in a debate, then I guess I'm not really unique as a "troll". As a person, well, we all learned in school that we were "special", remember?
Moderate intelligence? Ha!
OK, fine, lesser intelligence. Happy?
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There's a laughThen your "ha!" was redundant. Try to at least look like you remember what your English teacher taught you.
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and here's why, short answer, see above, but for the long answer, you come on here, blasting us as morons, idiots, and the like.Maybe if you didn't act like them, I wouldn't call you them.That ever cross your mind, buddy?
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If you had a drop of intelligence in your mind, you'd realize we are all entitled to an opinion, even if it's different from your own.Seeing as I have defeated you on more than one occasion, I doubt I'm not intelligent. Also, I never said you can't have your opinion.
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If you had any brains to speak of, you'd let us be, because we have opinions, but you're too stubborn for that aren't you?C-to-the-E, if I "cut-and-run" after you've tried (poorly, but still tried) to fight back, then what kind of message would it send to the
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Comrade Spartakus
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The chart is but a summary, it's not an eloquent elaboration. Yes, people are on socialist security,Oh good, slandering the only lifeline for many poor, disabled and elderly. Good way to build sympathy for your argument.
It's called being prepared, ever heard of it?
I'm going to assume that you mean that youprepared for your argument, not that you blame the people who needsocial security (like the poor, disabled or elderly) to stay afloat fornot being prepared. I'm willing to overlook this once.
Poor performance indeed, you'd at least try to deny my statement at least.
There's nothing to debate, you arrogant little fuckwad.
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I understand emergencies happen, and you needmoney for medical bills, but if you are able bodied, you should beprepared for a life-changing event,Something tells me your family has never been hurting for money.
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it's called working hard, investing in aretirement plan, and if an accident comes on prematurely, THEN you cantake out socialist security.All right, here we go: You realize that some people don't have the luxury of investing in a retirement plan, right? There are people (and I know quite a few) who work from paycheck-to-paycheck and just scrape by. My dad's family was on welfare for a long while after my grandfather got disabled. Even so, my grandmother worked the entire time, and worked seven days a week. If she wasn't on Social Security, she'd be broke. Absolutely broke. There is no way an 80-year old woman with Parkinson's disease could live a decent lifestyle without that "socialist security" money to help her. Your argument would be effective if this were a Horatio Alger story. But it's not. It's real life. Just because you were born with enough money to give you the option to put some aside in a retirement account when you get older does not mean that everyone can get along without some help. So grow up, and start thinking about other people for once, you self-righteous little fuck.
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What the chart is talking about is when you reach the point when people DON'T pay into a system, the government literally hands out money to you, for no apparent reason other then for votes.Then why did you bring it up, at all if yourchart is not applicable to any situation outside of banana republics. Imay not be a master of international politics, but what you say yourchart describes is useless for countries that are either: full-fledgedliberal democracies (i.e. the US, western Europe, Canada, Australia,Japan, etc.), or are undemocratic (China, Vietnam, Cuba, most ofAfrica, etc.).
Ever heard of progressing?
Isn't that what the 9/12ers and the teabaggers are against?
Actually yes, if you understood what they, I, and all us on here stood for,
Oh, I think I do know what you "stand" for.
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you'd realize we are against us progressing to the dependency stage, and eventually to the bondage stage.Oh, not this shit, again!
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Where hard work is rewarded, affirmative action is removed because, in theory, everyone is treated the same. I say in theory because racism will always exist as long as opinions exist.Well, at least you realize that affirmative action is there for a reason. And while I feel a little uneasy about affirmative action, I'm comfortable enough with letting some disadvantaged minorities in to help grow a more diverse middle-class. As for your utopia "where hard work is rewarded", I'd like to bet that you have never worked hard your entire life.
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It's a PROGRESSIVE chart, meaning there will beintermediate phases, i.e. in between apathy and dependence, there willbe full apathy, but only SO MANY in the dependence phase. IT WILLPROGRESS TO SAID LEVEL. I write in big letters to make a point.And I reply with a snarky attitude because of the abundance of asshats in the vicinity.
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Anyway, it has EVERYTHING to do with ourdemocracy, if you need proof, allow me, and the feel free to deny meafterward, because I know you will.Let's see what you got, anyways.
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Looking at the 2000 election:Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul,Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000Presidential election:
Sounds good so far.
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Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million;I wonder how this would look if it was "population of states won by:"...
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Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000Laughably easy to dismiss. The GOP tends to do well in rural areas/counties, and since rural districts are much larger than urban districts, Bush of course would win a much high amount of real estate.
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States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29Same kind of argument; Bush won the more rural, less populated states. Since a lot of states in the Midwest & Rocky Mountain regions are this way, of course he won more states than Gore did.
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Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2 Bush: 2.1I'd like to see the statistics for that. Even if it is true, there are much more murders in urban areas than in rural areas, simply because there are more people packed closer together.
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Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of theterritory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizensof this country.Stop right there. How is this in any way an unbiased source with a quote like that?
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Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned projects and living off government welfare...Olson believes the United States is nowsomewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of ProfessorTyler's definition of democracy, with some 40 percent of the nation'spopulation already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
Is that who you stole the chart from?
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The critical point is when people living ongovernment entitlements passes 50% and can control future elections.From that point, the party that promises the most free entitlementswins. Unfortunately less than 50% of the population will be paying thetaxes to support the majority.I hate to tell this to you, Commissar_Elliott, but being on Social Security doesn't mean you don't pay taxes. If I live to be 90 years old, and live off Social Security, I'll get in trouble if I don't file my tax returns. Or, unless your argument is that soon, we'll have over half the country be made up of illegal aliens...
First off, do you even know who pays the majority of taxes? I'd like to see if you know.
Apparently, it's blue states. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_ta ... e_by_state
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Second, of course living on SS doesn't mean you stop paying taxes,Then why did you not cut that asinine little thing out of the quote before posting?
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ever heard of sales taxes (small example)?CommE, you won't believe how many times I've heard customers pissing & moaning about sales tax. So don't talk to me about sales tax.
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Now that was nine years ago, now answer me this, is that irrelevant to our democracy?. . . and I await your denial.
You've got it, Commissar. Also, I'd like to point out that a lot of the places that went for Bush in 2000 Obama won last November. So, even if your preposterous theory is correct (which it's not), and the government throws money to poor, lazy people like a drunken sailor on shore leave, it's already spreading to the parts of "real America".
First off, my theory, or actually Dr. Joseph Olson's, is correct.
No, it isn't. It's clearly just bunk. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see that.
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It will spread because it's being made a hell of a lot easier to get onto some form of government, especially if we get this Healthcare bill rammed down our throat.Because the Patriot Act totally wasn't "rammed down our throats".
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I doubt there are many welfare recipients out there who vote conservative.Because they realize that conservatives are so directly opposed to keeping them clothed & fed.
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Also, haven't you heard of the undecided, the dead and living swing, the change in perception?Why, yes I have, O Pompous One.
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Of course places that voted for Bush in 2000 may have voted for Obama, it's called a cycle. There are people who come of voting age, there are those who vote who died off, there are those who didn't vote, there are those who changed parties. It's called an opinion.. . . and I await your denial.
Amazingly, you closed out strongly. I'm happily surprised. You can see the above comments for my response.
[HR]
Okay, time for round 2...
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Comrade what ever your name will beafter this post
While I may be a jerk (to most), I am not dumb. I'veoffered rebuttals to pretty much every single thing thrown at me &have done it much more maturely & intelligently than most of myopponents. Read the thread yourself for evidence.Intelligence and maturity?
Since you've decided to go ahead & "cleverly" rename me, I'm goingto take whatever of my words you throw back at me with a grain of salt.
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From 'The Cube has a Spawn'
Andthen, upon understanding that, you'll gosit back in your comfy chair,and, with Cheeto-crusted fingers, avidlyblog about "why them liberulsis all bad" & "why we dont needtaxs".
From the Cube has a Spawn'
Inshort, it's good that Commissar Elliott candress himself in themorning, go to school with his helmet permanentlyaffixed to his(probably misshapen) head, and not soil himself whenteacher calls onhim. But it's bad when he starts to think he's able totalk aboutgrown-up things.
from same post
If you're going to talk about the Democrats, please say Democratic Party. Saying "Democrat Party" makes you look like a slavish partisan.
I want to bring this one up because you still have yet to respond to me with a little dignity,
Because you have earned so little. Why don't you post your own responses, CE & show me how magnanimous you've been?
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so I'm still calling it the democrat party.And I'm still going to insult you.
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From 'The Cube has a Spawn'
Isay this earnestly, with no malice intended:if you don't like peoplestereotyping you, then quit giving themammunition that suggests thatthey're right.
Do you see the irony here? I do.
I try to do something nice for the 'tards & it comes back to haunt me. Never again.
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Again,more proof that the maturity fairy has ignored this site and avastmajority of its regulars. Nice to know that I'm dealing withsuperiorminds, here.Again, the irony is pathetic, for your arguments.
What kind of fucking sentence is that? Every English-speaking person in the world has a solemn obligation to find you & make sure you do not reproduce and raise a child to speak the kind of Tardese-English pidgin you use.
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I'm starting to wonder if this board is populated by inbred men-children who make Joe Dirt look like Albert Einstein.
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"said Colonel 7.62, before being rushed to the ER for third degree burns on his amazingly tiny wee-wee."
Said earlier in the post
Oh, those gosh-darned liberals! They can't communicate if you take away their potty words & worldview!
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It's seriously like arguing with a fussy five year-old.
From 'Remembering Sept. 11th'
Good for you, I'm sure your mom will be happy the word-a-day calendar she got you has been put to good use.
From 'Remembering Sept. 11th'
Ilike this, because this is like the potcalling the kettle black. Imean, seriously, what is "reality" for you?Is it something that'll"teach" me to not be a "librul"? Please. Idoubt that living in yourparents' basement really is the same thing asbeing a middle-classcollege student from an economic death zone, likeI am, working my assoff to pay for college.
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I like howyou think I have a positiveself-image. I mean, for Christ's sake, Ispend my time talking topeople like you. If I really thought my shitdidn't stink, I wouldn'teven want to read your arrogant, condescendingabortion of a reply.
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At least I won't grow up to be a bitch, unlike some people I know.
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It's funny you mention the whole Barney Frank thing. See, talking to pedanticAsfor it being a "big boy board", please. All of the people whohavereplied to me have shown less maturity than I have. Which,admittedly,is not a lot, but the point still stands.
The "Obtuse children" thing isn't true. I mean, if it was, then why are you still here?
If you aren't wasting time on me, then why are you quoting my entire posts?
Finally,"children like you are a dime a dozen" from you soundslike the fondrecollection of a guy who went to a Filipino brothelspecializing inyounger boys.
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Or at least, not respond like a pack of roaming douches.
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I won't call you assholes if you don't act like them.
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Itwas too much to ask for, wasn't it? I mean,look, while I haven't beenalways civil, I'm not a hypocrite. Iacknowledge that I can be anasshole & I won't deny it. On theother hand, people on thisboard/thread/site/whatever constantly callme names and are surprised& offended when I call them out on theirdouchiness. So don't dishit out if you can't take it.
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It's amazing that you're considered a responsible adult, what with all the child-like bullshit that I've seen you do.
From 'Communist Manifesto'
Soyou think that America, because we are"socialist" will turn into asemi-dictatorship? That, in itself isretarded. Scandinavia is ruled bygovernments that are socialist (witha cradle-to-grave welfare state),but are among the most democratic,best governments in the entire world.Also, America is by no meanssocialist, and is, in fact, so conservativecompared to otherindustrialized nations, that most Europeanconservative politicianswould feel right at home in the DemocraticParty & would not bewelcome with the GOP.
So, in short: You fail politics forever.
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"Today,for now," is perhaps the worst exampleof illiteracy I've seen today.Also, from what it looks like, youaren't really well-versed ingenerational politics, so it'd probably bebest if...
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AKA Commissar Elliott's Bible.
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BecauseI have some compunctions about makingfun of the mentally handicapped,I'll decide to forgo my impersonationof Commissar Elliott, and instead,praise him for the nice strawmen hehas crafted. Good job, champ.
This the best post I've ever seen on The People's Cube. Good job, Commissar!
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No.It's not. You are wrong and yourcategorizations are wrong as well.Since you won't accept the fact thatfascists & liberals are notideological BFFs, I'm not going towaste my time trying to convince youof what every moderatelyintelligent person knows.
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Thank you, Lone Stage Dick (see what I did there?). It would be a much better criticism if you didn't, oh, say, spend your entire post nit-picking my post.
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LoneStage Grip, you realize that I was beingsarcastic, right? I mean, forGod's sake, what in the hell makes youthink I was being serious?
Also, being "attacked" by you is as threatening to me as being challenged to a debate by an especially cranky four year-old.
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Also, BSU is not Bull Shit University. If it were, you'd be the Dean.
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Laika,since, you are, after all, a Bitch InSpace, I'd like to send you to aspace where you'd be more comfortable.It's called meatspace, AKA thereal world. Go out there sometime, andtry to make friends. You know,"friends"? Like the people who can standto be around your unfunny,probably insane ass.
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Oh good, I likethis. You assume since I'm acollege student, that I don't have a graspof the "real world"? Nicetry there, SpaceBitch, but I know what the"real world" is like. I alsoknow that people who
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Yourprofiling skills, much like your arguingand reasoning skills, areterrible. I'm not a grad student. And while Imay appear a snob to you,asking someone to call you Lord Laikawhen all you've done isattack them & generally behave like anelitist asshole. Yes, that'sright. I called you an elitist. Deal withit.
Damn, Commissar, you're on a roll!
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Oh boy, I'll be like Huckleberry Finn, LOL!11!!!1!
Seriously, Laika, is there any way you can go one paragraph without throwing around random smears?
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Nice. I never even mentioned Cuba at all & you go on a paragraph-long rant about it. Signs of a skilled debater, indeed.
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Nice strawman you're building.
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And they'd be interested in you?I'mgoing to go get some air *goes outside & launches 5-minutelonghysterical laughing fit, composes himself & reenters*. Okay,I'mback.
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Is there any way for you to be even more of a dick? I mean, without approaching "douche" territory?
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HOLYSHIT! Laika's gone rogue and ranheadlong past the Douche Territoryborder & has in fact entered theDouche capital of Doucheopolis& has displaced Kanye West asEmperor of Douchedom! This coup willnot go unanswered Space Cur!
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Nice to know that you took the time to type out your mental strain, Red Rooster.
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Whiny little bitch, aren't you?
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Ireally don't care about "The Mime". What Ido care about is the factthat you probably consider yourself clever.That is both hilarious inand of itself & tragic.
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I agreethat respect garners respect. BUT, sinceI've generally acted betterthan almost everyone on this thread, Ithink I'm owed some respect.
"See, morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with, long as she does it quiet-like."
Seeing as I didn't write the last part of the last quote, I'd say this is the weakest of your awesome trilogy of posts.
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IronicAllright, I need to get moving, but in short, maturity from us Spartikus?
A little would be nice. Facts & reason, too, but I know I can't ask too much.
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I think you could learn a thing or two from your own statements,because we'd show you maturity if you showed us it.I'm not going to teach you what responsibility is. I'm not your goddamn mommy or daddy. You should show me what respect is.
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There's are allinsults you've thrown at us, unaltered.Except for the jumbled spacings on some of them, not bad. You've obviously been hurt & want me to apologize for my meanness.
I'm not going to do that.
I'm not going to apologize for any of the things I've said, simply because I know for a fact none of the people on this site would in any way admit that they've done anything wrong nor would they accept culpability for it if I proved that they did it. So, until I see proof that everyone on here is capable of that kind of introspection, I'm not tacking back anything.
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I'm not going to apologize for any of the things I've said, simply because I know for a fact none of the people on this site would in any way admit that they've done anything wrong nor would they accept culpability for it if I proved that they did it. So, until I see proof that everyone on here is capable of that kind of introspection, I'm not tacking back anything.
Please name what I, AbecedariusRex, have done wrong.
For the record, the first quotation was from Major Dick Winters, commander of E company, 2nd Batt in the 506th Reg of the 101st during WW2. In the series "Band of Brothers" he says this comment to Carwood Lipton as they watch the German squads around Brecort Manor firing in confusion on one another.
The second quotation is from "Kiss of the Spider Woman" with Raul Julia and William Hurt.
They are simply two quotations that came to mind while skimming through your post and are no indication of your or anyone else's religious or sexual persuasion.
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Comrade Spartakus
I'm not going to apologize for any of the things I've said, simply because I know for a fact none of the people on this site would in any way admit that they've done anything wrong nor would they accept culpability for it if I proved that they did it. So, until I see proof that everyone on here is capable of that kind of introspection, I'm not tacking back anything.
Please name what I, AbecedariusRex, have done wrong.
If you can't even think of anything you've done wrong, then I can't help you.
AbecedariusRex
For the record, the first quotation was from Major Dick Winters, commander of E company, 2nd Batt in the 506th Reg of the 101st during WW2. In the series "Band of Brothers" he says this comment to Carwood Lipton as they watch the German squads around Brecort Manor firing in confusion on one another.The second quotation is from "Kiss of the Spider Woman" with Raul Julia and William Hurt.
They are simply two quotations that came to mind while skimming through your post and are no indication of your or anyone else's religious or sexual persuasion.
OK. I can accept that.
Comrade Spartakus
AbecedariusRex
Comrade Spartakus
I'm not going to apologize for any of the things I've said, simply because I know for a fact none of the people on this site would in any way admit that they've done anything wrong nor would they accept culpability for it if I proved that they did it. So, until I see proof that everyone on here is capable of that kind of introspection, I'm not tacking back anything.
Please name what I, AbecedariusRex, have done wrong.
If you can't even think of anything you've done wrong, then I can't help you.
You mistake me, sir, I can think of many things that I have done wrong and have frequently pondered the depth of the abyss in my own person. That wasn't what I, in very obscure and obfuscating language it seems, requested. So I ask again, please name what I, AbecedariusRex, have done wrong that would constitute your saying
Comrade Spartakus
none of the people on this site would in any way admit that they'vedone anything wrong nor would they accept culpability for it if Iproved that they did it.The universal qualifier of "none" limits the choices with which I am left. Either all posters here are capable of introspection, or none of the posters here are capable of introspection, or some of the posters here are capable of introspection. You chose to say "none", the universal negative quantifier. This naturally would limit the outcome of your above demand for proof of introspection.
AbecedariusRex
Comrade Spartakus
AbecedariusRex
Comrade Spartakus
I'm not going to apologize for any of the things I've said, simply because I know for a fact none of the people on this site would in any way admit that they've done anything wrong nor would they accept culpability for it if I proved that they did it. So, until I see proof that everyone on here is capable of that kind of introspection, I'm not tacking back anything.
Please name what I, AbecedariusRex, have done wrong.
If you can't even think of anything you've done wrong, then I can't help you.
You mistake me, sir, I can think of many things that I have done wrong and have frequently pondered the depth of the abyss in my own person.
That's nice.
AbecedariusRex
That wasn't what I, in very obscure and obfuscating language it seems, requested.Don't care.
AbecedariusRex
So I ask again, please name what I, AbecedariusRex, have done wrong that would constitute your sayingComrade Spartakus
none of the people on this site would in any way admit that they'vedone anything wrong nor would they accept culpability for it if Iproved that they did it.I'm too busy replying to all of the other messages to go back & look at what you posted. But compare some of the stuff you posted to some of the stuff I've called people on for being dickish & tell me what you think.
AbecedariusRex
The universal qualifier of "none" limits the choices with which I am left.Sucks to be you.
AbecedariusRex
Either all posters here are capable of introspection, or none of the posters here are capable of introspection, or some of the posters here are capable of introspection. You chose to say "none", the universal negative quantifier. This naturally would limit the outcome of your above demand for proof of introspection.That's all nice and dandy, but I was saying that no one here seems capable of the type of self-introspection to realize the nastiness and ugliness of some of the things they've said and done, especially regarding my username & my posts being changed without my permission. And while I freely admit that I can be an asshole, I also will show leniency on someone who presents their arguments logically & respectfully.
...you will show leniency?
Can, or will? I CAN be lenient, but there haven't been many opportunities TO be lenient with some of the people here.
uh huh
Do the weak show leniency to those in power?
Or do those in power show leniency to the weak?
Do the weak show leniency to those in power?
Or do those in power show leniency to the weak?
Fine. Whether you believe me or not doesn't matter to me. It's just the way it is.
didn't say I didn't believe you. just didn't type faster than you.
I suspect you probably would show largesse given the opportunity.
No, I was just asking a question given the statement about leniency:
Do those in power exercise leniency or those who have no power?
I suspect you probably would show largesse given the opportunity.
No, I was just asking a question given the statement about leniency:
Do those in power exercise leniency or those who have no power?
Comrade Spartakus
Commissar_Elliott
and I didn't like it, that makes me a sheep. Well, baaaaah.From what I've gathered, your version of "I saw the other side" translates into "I once watched John Kerry on TV for five minutes".
No, it's actually I've seen what it looks like, I've seen people who protest the war, I've thought about what higher taxes do to the populace, I've researched healthcare reform Obama is proposing.
I'm guessing you never saw the other side, that's why you give us nothing but insult, riiiiiiiight?
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Commissar_Elliott
because you are like all the sheep like trolls who came before you.Don't care.
Yeah you do,
When I have I given any indication I care about this shit?
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you are trying desperately to stick out amongst the crowd,Trust me, CE, having a brain here makes you stick out automatically.
And you have proven yourself.
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Commissar_Elliott
when all you've done is proven you are like the trolls who have come before us.I've never once cared about the "trolls who have come before us". I also will never care about them. Stop referencing them.
No, I won't stop referencing them because you are one of them. The only difference between you and them is your username, vis a vis, you have yet to prove yourself different from them.
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There's a laughThen your "ha!" was redundant. Try to at least look like you remember what your English teacher taught you.
Way to pull something out of your hat, this is perhaps the lamest insult you've thrown at me. a "Ha!" would be an interjection, if you don't know what that is, look it up.
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and here's why, short answer, see above, but for the long answer, you come on here, blasting us as morons, idiots, and the like.Maybe if you didn't act like them, I wouldn't call you them.That ever cross your mind, buddy?
First off, yeah, it's crossed my mind millions of times, why else am I not swearing and keeping the insults to you low?
I'm guessing it hasn't crossed your mind, because if it did, you'd respond with dignity to our responses.
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If you had a drop of intelligence in your mind, you'd realize we are all entitled to an opinion, even if it's different from your own.Seeing as I have defeated you on more than one occasion, I doubt I'm not intelligent. Also, I never said you can't have your opinion.
Defeated us on what? You have brought no argument to the table other then insults and lame remarks! Reread your posts, but you are too closed minded for that I'm sure.
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If you had any brains to speak of, you'd let us be, because we have opinions, but you're too stubborn for that aren't you?C-to-the-E, if I "cut-and-run" after you've tried (poorly, but still tried) to fight back, then what kind of message would it send to the
Please, I don't cut-and-run, unlike trolls before you and your friends in Congress. I am mearly defending myself from your imbecilic and superficial responses. You bring nothing new to the table, and the only reason I don't stop is because I'm too much a fighter, I will keep going, even if I'm the last man standing to refute you.
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I'm going to assume that you mean that youprepared for your argument, not that you blame the people who needsocial security (like the poor, disabled or elderly) to stay afloat fornot being prepared. I'm willing to overlook this once.Quote:
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Poor performance indeed, you'd at least try to deny my statement at least.There's nothing to debate, you arrogant little fuckwad.
And I could say the same to you, but there you go again with your potty-mouth.
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it's called working hard, investing in aretirement plan, and if an accident comes on prematurely, THEN you cantake out socialist security.All right, here we go: You realize that some people don't have the luxury of investing in a retirement plan, right? There are people (and I know quite a few) who work from paycheck-to-paycheck and just scrape by. My dad's family was on welfare for a long while after my grandfather got disabled. Even so, my grandmother worked the entire time, and worked seven days a week. If she wasn't on Social Security, she'd be broke. Absolutely broke. There is no way an 80-year old woman with Parkinson's disease could live a decent lifestyle without that "socialist security" money to help her. Your argument would be effective if this were a Horatio Alger story. But it's not. It's real life. Just because you were born with enough money to give you the option to put some aside in a retirement account when you get older does not mean that everyone can get along without some help. So grow up, and start thinking about other people for once, you self-righteous little fuck.
Again, I will say the same for you, but here's the difference, I am not being self-righteous, you are, and here's why. You come on here thinking you are better then everyone else, or in other words, you have a self-righteous ideology, solipsism in other words, of being so superior, we should just shut the site down and listen to you, or at least think about why we should think like you do. It's all a bunch of your self-righteous hubris in other words.
Next time you throw insults at me, make sure they don't apply to you to.
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Commissar_Elliott
Where hard work is rewarded, affirmative action is removed because, in theory, everyone is treated the same. I say in theory because racism will always exist as long as opinions exist.Well, at least you realize that affirmative action is there for a reason. And while I feel a little uneasy about affirmative action, I'm comfortable enough with letting some disadvantaged minorities in to help grow a more diverse middle-class. As for your utopia "where hard work is rewarded", I'd like to bet that you have never worked hard your entire life.
Ever work with kids? I have, and they are hard to work with. Have you ever worked with cranky old people in a grocery store? I have, and they need a nap. Trust me, I've worked hard, and the things I've bought with them was quite an experience.
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I'm not going to teach you what responsibility is. I'm not your goddamn mommy or daddy. You should show me what respect is.I know what responsibility is, and if you were my mommy, I'd of ran for the nearest adoption center!
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There's are allinsults you've thrown at us, unaltered.Except for the jumbled spacings on some of them, not bad. You've obviously been hurt & want me to apologize for my meanness.
I'm not going to do that.
I'm not going to apologize for any of the things I've said, simply because I know for a fact none of the people on this site would in any way admit that they've done anything wrong nor would they accept culpability for it if I proved that they did it. So, until I see proof that everyone on here is capable of that kind of introspection, I'm not tacking back anything.
There you go assuming things again. I wouldn't ask for your apology to anything you've said on here if I was placing a bet on it! I was pointing to the fact that you claim we insult you, so I complied a list showing why we shouldn't treat you with any respect what so ever.
I just made a list showing everyone what you think of us, and why we, anyone for that manner, should even give you a second of their time to you or your superficial responses.
. . . and I await your denial.
still waiting, I guess...
My Most Esteemed Comrades,
It appears Comrade Elliot has delivered the final blow! Let's let Commissar Elliott and Comrade Spartakus have their say here.
IF Comrade Spartakus fweels the need to carry on...
It seems to be their argument from common grounds, so let's TRY to leave it that way.
Commissar of Graveyard Entrances,
Red Rooster
It appears Comrade Elliot has delivered the final blow! Let's let Commissar Elliott and Comrade Spartakus have their say here.
IF Comrade Spartakus fweels the need to carry on...
It seems to be their argument from common grounds, so let's TRY to leave it that way.
Commissar of Graveyard Entrances,
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Google expands maps and street views to include Google Colonoscopy: zero in on target and get detailed view with few clicks of mouse. New program supported by several gov't agencies, most notably IRS
New polling indicates American voters no longer want change, they just want their money back
Democrats launch "Take Our Jobs" campaign as only seven Americans agreed to vote for them
Obama ends war, blames Iraq car explosions on faulty non-union manufactured spare parts
Democrats pull troops out of Iraq to fight the 'real war' on Christine O' Donnell
In effort to appeal to NOW feminists, Christine O'Donnell changes name to Rosie, gains 400lbs
Obama goes to church, worships self
Study: Obama's threat to butn tax money in Washington 'recruitment bonanza' for Tea Parties
Imam Rauf finds a peaceful solution: 'Move Ground Zero a few blocks away from the mosque and no one gets hurt'
New Yorkers to Rauf: 'move mosque to Mecca; Ground Zero at location can be arranged'
Modernizing Islam: New York imam proposes to canonize Saul Alinsky as religion's latter day prophet
General Petraeus: non-halal meals, uncovered female Americans endanger U.S. troops
U.S. forces in Afghanistan brace for backlash after President's message on Rosh Hashana and Yom Kipur
Cardboard cutouts used to fill empty seats for Obama's appearance as Obama takes credit for creating jobs in cardboard-cutout sector
Taliban commanders warn that a plan to build Ground Zero mosque could provoke violence against their troops and operatives overseas
MSNBC suggests Florida church burn Bible instead of Koran; fewer pages mean smaller carbon footprint
New York Neighbors for American Values offer to voluntarily behead themselves to prove tolerance to Muslims; rabbi Arthur Waskow offers to self-incinerate in oven instead
The U.N. posthumously awards all French military personal that served during May of 1940 a medal for Courageous Restraint
White House revises policy to announce when President is at work instead of announcing when he is going on vacation
Seattle: sonic booms of fighter jets shatter glass, stimulate economy
Obama promises to create thousands more economically neutral jobs
White House: Spanish vacation saved or created 3,427 jobs
Pelosi issues recall of House, citing electoral safety concerns
Obama's lack of cojones a bold-face lie: proof
Elton John Working On Anti-Obama Musical
Congress ceases Pentagon spending, outsources armed forces to China
Shirley Sherrod accepts apology, gets new gov't job in End of Life Counseling
On first visit as Britain's PM, David Cameron chooses a communist state, seeks détente
Report: President Obama to visit the United States in the near future
GOP challengers promise post-racial presidency after 2012
Doctors: Glenn Beck's worsening eyesight and inability to focus give hope he may yet join other media and follow Obama
Parachuting donkey lands into Vice President's desk, continues business as usual
Obama calls on radical groups to comply with rules for radicals
NAACP condemns racism within al Qaeda: 'We don't have a problem with radicals, we have an issue with their acceptance of white Arab supremacists into their organizations'
Obama denies al-Qaeda stimulus money, redirects funds to 'less racist' man-made disaster management organizations
In view of lasting heat wave, all weather forecasts are temporarily replaced with 'An Inconvenient Truth' infomercials
NAACP strongly denounces The New Black Panthers
Caught in another hateful rant, Mel Gibson apologizes to representatives of hurt communities: Russian mail-order bride community, silicone breast-implant community, slutty clothes designer community, Vegas whore community, rapist community, and personally to Al Sharpton
Europe: Oracle Octopus predicts World Cup winner;
USA: Oracle Dodo predicts economic growth
Today's box office: LeBron knixes New York in a suspense thriller The Field of Nightmares (Tax Them and They Won't Come)
In a last-ditch effort to get popular with Americans, Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan reveals she's a Russian spy, photoshops her face on Anna Chapman's nude photos, wins by a landslide
Portland Tribune to receive Pulitzer Prize for best investigative non-reporting of Al Gore's sexual public service blooper
War on Arizona turns to quagmire; Obama sets timetable on American withdrawal by 2011
MSNBC: Obama's firing McChrystal a positive move to bring long-awaited improvement in oil-spill-affected news coverage
Harry Reid changes name to John F Kennedy in last ditch effort to win re-election
White House spokesman Gibbs clarifies why President's answers to nation's problems seem surreal, bizarre and inappropriate, by comparing reporter's question to a purple polka-dotted people-eater riding a tricycle
Obama: green economy likely to transform America into a leading third world country of the new millennium
President taps Pay Czar for BP payouts to victims: Unions order freighter of champagne
EPA: New climate bill will cost less than a postage stamp a day to those still able to afford a postage stamp
Helen Thomas Gets "Rachel Corrie Golden Bulldozer Award"
Puzzled media: Apparently, Al Gore is pro-drill
Gay Pride parade in Gaza cancels inclusion of Israeli group
Obama blames Bush for screwing up his 'Don't Make Excuses' grad speech in Kalamazoo, Michigan
Helen Thomas to leave US for ancestral Lebanon to no longer be occupier of La Raza's Land
Following phrase scheduled to appear on every Sunday morning news show: 'What Helen actually ment to say was...'
Helen Thomas to be inducted into Museum of Natural History
Obama's Deficit Reduction Commission operating in the red
Al Gore: It's a shame that a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of polar bears
Democrats introduce bill regulating who can be a politician
BP hires Gaza flotilla peace activists to beat oil back into hole
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